Monday, February 19, 2007

 

Which side are you on?

In his interview with Bob Doran, Boots invoked a Malvina Reynolds song often sung by Pete Seeger. An other Seeger favorite comes to mind (the post title herein), and I'm often asked the question. I have my opinions about various aspects of the controversy, but the allegations of the lawsuit are referencing too many incidents of which I and most of the public know nothing. I don't know what to think, and I'm not going to make any assumptions. I'd rather just let the legal process run its course.

What comes to mind as an answer now comes from Jeanne Houston's Farewell to Manzanar, and autobiographical account of the portion of her childhood spent in a Japanese American internment camp during World War II. Her father is being grilled by military intelligence and they ask, "Who do you want to win the war?"

Her father responds: "If your father and mother were fighting, would you want one of them to kill the other, or would you just want them to stop fighting?"

Comments:
For clarity sake, it was not Boots who quoted from Malvina's "Little Boxes," it was me. His mention of Eichler homes made me think of the "little boxes made of ticky tacky." When my parents moved from Berkeley to Walnut Creek not long before I was born, they thought about buying an Eichler tract home -- instead they decided to build their own.
- Bob
 
I was raised driving by them, and my father did some remodeling jobs in them. Each of them has a plaque installed in the basement, with a number and other information. If only she'd known about that when she wrote the song!

I've noticed over the years that the primary colors have been replaced with a more gentrification appropriate collage of earth tones. There are still a few that stand out, but like the Volvo their ugliness itself has become a positive aesthetic feature.
 
Volvos aren't ugly.
 
"I'd rather just let the legal process run its course."

That seems to contradict your comment on your previous post:

"I hope the parties pull this back from the brink before it goes too far."
 
I agree, and since when are avowed lefties content to just let the legal process run it's course?
 
Very well said, Eric! You have impressed me again.

I do have many opinions, and I want to pick a side. Being “Center of the road” only gets you run over by everyone, in all directions. Then, I think of my friends on both sides, and I can’t choose.

The solution to the “Gordian knot”, a knot that could only be untied by the strongest and wisest, was to simply slice it into two pieces. But, if they apply the “Wisdom of Solomon” to this situation, as some have said is needed… one would hope they don’t apply the same solution.

I don’t see how any Judge, no matter how brilliant, can know the history of this event, or know the character of the players. Nor can he judge the ability of any group to succeed in our “Special” community. I have a feeling that any solution will be “Middle of the road”, and not likely to work.

It is woefully naive to suggest that everyone learn to get along. As the lady said, “Some things being said…can never be unsaid”. Someone else said, “A grudge worth having, is worth holding. Always get even”.

We truly live in interesting times. To wish someone to live in interesting times is an ancient Chinese curse! I’m beginning to grasp that concept.
 
Obviously I want them to settle - I was talking a scenario with two options. I don't particularly want to debate the issues of interference claims in these threads, particularly the allegations of recent activities by the parties. Let's let the process of discovery take place in an orderly fashion, if it gets that far.
 
Ernie - your post slipped in before mine. I was responding to a previous post, in case you're confused.

And you're right. Especially having read Bob's summary, I hope that one of the parties let's go of the child's arm.

I mean, let's throw out some possibilities. Can Carol and Boots co-produce for a year or two and split the fee? Can Carol put together a corporation with shareholders to purchase Reggae outright?

Nobody knows how this is going to work out, and the judge could very easily make a decision that nobody likes.
 
I agree, and since when are avowed lefties content to just let the legal process run it's course?

Eric isn't really a leftist. He's a closet conservative in disguise. Sort of a Trojan Horse for the Left in Humboldt.
 
I'm sure Carol doesn't want her books to be part of the public record if she can help it, so there's definately pressure on her to settle.

Also, the matter of at least some of the defendants 1-20 presumably refers to some or all of the hold-out volunteer coordinators who have records or property, and I'm sure Carol has no interest in having them or drug into court. That adds to the pressure.

I can't imagine that the MCC is in a position to protact things as they already owe Boots $300K, which means they need a festival in a big way. A trial is certainly not in there best interest either.

So there's definately a lot of pressure on both sides to not go to court at all (Carol) or get things settled quickly (MCC).

It's hard for me to believe that either side has the stomache to continue the relationship. Seems to me that sharing the assets (infrastructure, data) and moving the date of Reggae Rising would be a good starting point. Tom wins here as well as he gets two festivals.

What are the chnaces of the court ordering binding arbitration? Seems to me that would be MCC's preference as it would get things done very quickly?

Eric
 
The court can only order binding arbitration if the contracts contain such a provision. We've already been told that they had a mediation provision. If there's an arbitration provision we may see that invoked by the defense once we're past the injunction process.
 
Eric's a closet conservative like Arkley's a deepdown liberal.

Puhlease!
 
Anon said: “Eric isn't really a leftist. He's a closet conservative in disguise. Sort of a Trojan Horse for the Left in Humboldt.”

This is classic leftist ideology. The weeding out and ostracism of a member that strays from the party line on any issue. Leftists remind me of the pigs on George Orwell's Animal Farm. Orwell wrote AF as an allegory about the Russian Revolution, but it also applies to leftists as a group. The key lesson from AF is that an organization's members often manipulate events for their own benefit, ending up even worse than the real or imaginary evils from which they originally revolted or protested.

Is Eric becoming, like Snowball (meant to illustrate Trotsky's ouster), the one that the other leftists want to chase from the Animal Farm?

What was Eric’s heresy? Where did he fail to tow the leftist line?
 
"Orwell wrote AF as an allegory about the Russian Revolution, but it also applies to leftists as a group."

It applies to rightists too, and to McCarthyite America.
 
Eating pork.
 
Senator Joseph McCarthy got and continues to get a bum rap from grossly biased historians and political hacks.

God bless old Joe!
 
Funny that you should raise MyCarthyism. I lived through the 50's and observed MyCarthyism first hand. Leftists back then had a better moral ground on which to stand than today's left. The depression, the tail end of which I lived through as a young boy, was still fresh in everyone's mind and stood as a real life challenge to Capitalism.

Communism had not yet proved to be a complete economic failure. It had been discredited by its Imperialism and brutality by then, but had not yet been completely economically discredited. The far left, which seems to be oriented toward viewing all politics in economic terms, was still enamored of Communism.

Back then I could understand the left of my generation. Today’s left is harder to figure out. The modern left seems to not understand that socialism and too much state control have been proven to be a failure. Yet, the left inexorably moves the country in that direction.

I hear the modern left advocate piece by piece what is not that much different than the previously discredited economics of the Soviet Union and it disturbs me.

It seems that any philosophy can be revived by just giving it a new name.
 
3:58 - you are a welcome voice of experience and reason in a medium too often devoid of either. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and remembrances.
 
Dear slp

I happily concede that you may be writing about things you think you remember. After all, my grandmother thought she had learned from personal experience that black people were inferior; however

- you don't seem to have absorbed the primary lesson that even honest conservatives well versed in American history have taken from our bitter experience in allowing the bad Senator from Wisconsin to bully his political enemies using the club of the Red Menace, to wit: using intellectual categories like "leftist" as you do here is not an adequate replacement for THINKING and EVIDENCE.

- Your whole sidebar on "leftism" is gratuitously insulting to the proprietor and irrelevant to the point of this thread.

Kindly go create a blog, if you need to expound upon the perceived failings of Today's Left. I may even drop by and dispute your premises. But probably not.
 
Another free speech advocate trying desperately to silence the opposition!

Hooray for Eric and his comrades!
 
slp said... Mon Feb 19, 02:35:00 PM
You wrote "The key lesson from AF (Animal Farm) is that an organization's members often manipulate events for their own benefit, ending up even worse than the real or imaginary evils from which they originally revolted or protested."
You seem to have missed the opportunity to apply this to yourself and your friends and your mindless political equals. Is this not what your hero George Bush and his ilk did with regards to Iraq? They manipulated the history and events of Saddam Hussein to their own benefit causing the mindless hordes who are/were unable to think for themselves into believing that Saddam was the boogie man who needed to be taken out because he had weapons of mass destruction when the reality has shown that Iraq (and the world) without Saddam and with George W. Bush is much worse off than if everything was left alone and the "War on Terror" was focused on the al Qaeda problem. The same al Qaeda who it was reported today have regrouped and are planning terrorist attacks around the world because George W. Bush did exactly what you said the left does. Except the left didn't do it. The neocon right did it and are continuing to do it. The world is in the greatest danger in it's history of being destroyed and the main reason is because of the neocon right.
SLP, you put words together really nicely but they always seem to come out as bullshit when analyzed. What does SLP stand for again? Silly Little Person?
 
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SLP, you put words together really nicely but they always seem to come out as bullshit when analyzed.

Boy that's the truth. SLP is just full of hot air. And lots of it.
 
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