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Marijuana legalization? If marijuana was legalized Nationwide at the same time there is no doubt Humboldt's economy would be in ruin within a year or two at the most.

Humboldt County has become severely corrupted by the marijuana industry and the underground economy that goes with it. And by corrupted I mean several things. The youth have been corrupted; why go to college and study, or even worse work your way through college when you can make more growing, transporting, selling weed than you can with a college degree? Certain businesses don't worry about competition because there are people that can and do pay top prices; for real prperty, cars, jewelry, and so on. The justice system, the DA (Gallegos)was openly supported by SoHum people and businesses (fundraisers sponsered by Dazey's and Cecil's), fundraisers in Briceland and you know what most people in and around Briceland to for a living (yes I know some people will be outraged but I'm saying most, not all). So who do you think he is going to cater to?

Because of three decades of being the hub of marijuana growing in Amercia (and actually the world) Humboldt (and Medno) have attracted all kinds of people from other states and even countries, many of them lowlife scum (again some not all). And I could go on and on and on.

You have Jane & Joe citizen in Humboldt county that are numb to the marijuana industry due to the staggering amounts of marijuana and money. Jane and Joe are jurors and they too are corrupted because they see it everywhere! They know a nice person that is a grower and not that bad. Or they know or realize what strong enforcement of marijuana laws might do to the economy, THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

I hate what marijuana and the marijuana growers have done to Humboldt County over the past 30 years.
 

Hey you guys--if it was legal peeple woiuldnt get busted for it duh!. And speeking of busted They were talking about Paris hilton on the radio thiss mornitn, she was arrested for DUI, what if pot was legal? indeed !!! but hears MY question--
waht about poor little Suzy?! Eric, i mite need a lwayer.
Im in turoble. Im sorry i was gone, i got in jail I was DEEP
in jail. but then they leth me out, after i pulled some tricks

(not THAT kind aof trick, Eric!)

but now i have ta go back but
htey were gonna upt me undre huose arrset so im home and online
agian. btu what is justice??? i gaot out so they say i gatto
go bxack to jial maybbbe ... that sucks. I nneed a pardon just
like Libby. Nicko Brava was sald talkin about that privliged
brat Paris Hilten who is soooo supreficial but im more
supreficial then her. Suzy is deeply and perfoundly
superfisial! BUT IM saying its NOT sinchrinicity, and the
truth is-- Paris DID brake the law. why dint she have
showferr. but i didnt barake any law, I WAS FRAMED!!!!
Yet--im gonna pervale. I WILL pervale!! Suzy avlways
prevails... Im a deeply superficial parson and I got good karma
but... gowd i hate this fukcing anklet, the prebation sucks
too, they say im defiant--Wtf? but i got inflooance i'm
innosent. And i was FRAMED!!! i got proof that i was framed
rite on this blog someonne stated that they printed me out and
framed me. Thats on record. Peeps are on my side cuz i
represent equality. and also ists deeply interesteg... write
now im listening to Britney, 'whoooops i did it again',
blogging undre the influince agian,
S
 

10:10 tells it like it is! I urge all those who agree to pick up the phone and turn in a grower. The only way we will get back our county is to put these parasites in jail--where many of them came from.

Do not resign yourself to living with fear. Do not accept the threats and gunfire. This is supposed to be a free country. Pot Growers are rural terrorists.

Pick up the phone today.
 

And encourage the children to turn in their parents, right?

I remember an incident during the 1980s where Nancy Reagan conversed with a 5 year old girl who told her about her father smoking marijuana. They announced on the radio that morning, but obviously didn't reveal her name. I heard it and imagined a traffic jam of daddies leaving work "sick" and frantically speeding to get home to flush their stashes.
 

Y3ep, Suzy wuz framed. rite heer on miy whal!

Suzy, you didn't say what charges they framed you with. You should write a book to help with your legal defence fund. Heck, I'd buy a copy!
 

Eric,

It's selfish of you to defend pot terrorism. Obviously, your legal practice is an indirect beneficiary.

You need to open your eyes to the destruction of your own community. You've heard of the inner city drug gangs and the impact they have had. We are the victims of the same forces in a rural environment. The solution is the same: take back OUR neighborhood. One tool in doing that is to report drug dealing and growing to the police.
 

Kids turn in their parents? Wouldn't that be nice. Most kids of dope growers become dope growers or involved in the dope industry. Easy money. Corrupted youth! Corrupted businesses. Corrupted community.

Eric how many murders in the past 20 years (in Humboldt County) are marijuana related versus say meth related. Ask some record keeper at the Sheriffs Office. I've been around for years and just from the news I know that most murders are marijuana related. That doesn't even count for those "missing".

On the other subject Paris and the LA county sheriff should spend some time in jail. What a joke. Another form of corruption. The entertainment/movie industry money corrupts the legal system.
 

Anon 10:52 - been there, done that.

Anon 11:04 - Meth hasn't been the epidemic it is for 20 years, but I'm certain that it's catching up. And actually, most of them overlap.

By "marijuana related" do you mean under the influence, or a fight over the money?

In the 11 years that I've been here there have been maybe half a dozen murders locally. I can't think of a case off my head where speed wasn't at least an associated factor, except where some kids killed a homeless guy. That one was alcohol related.
 

Not under the influence of marijuana but because of MONEY. The posibility of losing out on some money.

You are soooooo wrong about methamphetamine Eric. Meth has been a major problem for 25 years and more, in California. Until meth became a problem in Kentucky, Illinois, Iowa, and the inner city areas it wasn't called an epidemic. Up until 6 or 7 years ago the Drug Enforcement Administration considered "meth" a "California" problem.

You have some insight to the legal community Eric, name a murder locally over meth or meth money! As to marijuana, just off the top of my head I can think of Larry Amsterdam, Chris Giaque, Zack Stone. We have no idea how many "unreported murders" have been commited in SoHum.

What about the Gaza brothers crime? Over marijuana, not a murder but serious crime. As a SoHum resident you must know, or at least have heard of lots on unreported marijuana related crime? How about that guy in Arcata that got his arm blown off with a shotgun over a marijuana rip off. And wasn't there a murder in Arcata over weed?

How many lawyers cash in on the marijuana money? Defense attorneys property attorneys? What about hat Eric?

And I do think meth is a horrid drug and a significant problem in Humboldt and across America.
 

Kim, it can happen. People just have to let go of their attachment to negativity and allow what is. We all have to stop blaming 'the other'. NOW!
 

Drug trouble across rural America was overlooked for years, like rural America is overlooked. Meth was nothing new in other parts of the country 10 years ago. What's different here isn't marijuana, which is huge across America, it's the relative scale of the pot economy, which anyone can see employs and feeds several times more people in Humboldt than timber does. It's such a thriving economy that our kids don't have to leave home, as most rural kids do elsewhere.

Yeah yeah it's yadeyaya, but please look at what a huge difference this makes from rural life elsewhere. The best thing going for the rural Midwest is the collosal ethanol scam that spends billions of dollars and barrels to employ a few hundred rural men, until voters understand and eliminate it. Compare that to our loggers' sons buying land, goods and services where they want to, at home.

I'm not defending our insane drug laws or our insane drug murderers, but I've been in other rural places and this place is better by far. Because people have more choices and money. Assuming that makes society more and not less corrupt is uninformed, IMHO and in my humble experience. You can't squeeze much virtue out of rural poverty anymore.
 

12:28 oh spare me with your drivel. Can you really be that stupid or do you make your living drowing dope.
 

No comments from Heraldo or Ed ?
 

suzy fan said, Heck, I'd buy a copy!

Suzy luvs yuo! And im werkin onit. the chaptre about my cort case is calld --'Impursonating a Stranger' withch is hwat i was churged with--a feolony! but they want me too cop a plee to the misdomearner 'Pretention of Individualaty'. (?) LOL! There crazy if thay thing ill do THAT! LOL! Im apeeling to a 'higher' cort. Or lower--same diff...depending on if its summer or wintre / btw You may be subpeenaed to curt, and the framed documant to ... if so, see ya their.
huggles,
S
 

Eric, this is directed to you because the other posters seem to have an agenda. Has any knowledgeable person estimated how many growers there are (in thirteen years I've met ONE) or the realism of the $100M figure?. The difference betwen retail/taxable may have to do with the fact that we are becoming, for better or worse, a retirement community.
 

You have some insight to the legal community Eric, name a murder locally over meth or meth money!

Norm Evers was convicted of murder over meth AND meth money AND I believe his ability for moral restraint was compromised by years of meth use. At least two other murders come to mind where it was at least an associated factor.
 

Anon 3:36 - I believe that somebody at HSU attempted some sort of analysis some years back, but I don't remember the details. Let me ask around.
 

Agenda? Eric doesn't? What rock did you come out from?

Agenda? You're not too bright are you 3:36pm?

How many counties in California have a Civil Liberties Monitoring Project ? A Citizens Observation Group ? Is it only Humboldt and Mendocino counties that have cops that abuse civil rights? Use your internet to do some research. Check out the CLMP and all that goes with it. Google "Humboldt County underground economy"

Do you think when you see or meet someone they are going to introduce themselves as a marijuana grower?

Try reading a High Times Magazine?
 

The dope peddlers/growers who have ruined our community have made a mockery out of the whole concept of civil liberties. In their twisted world, this is just another way to create loopholes for pot growers to abuse the rest of us and get away with criminal acts.

Don't buy their line about how much money they spend locally. Our schools, hospitals and roads are in deep trouble. And they don't lift a finger to help! They are selfish criminals.

Can't tell you how pleasurable it is to watch those helicopters land. Pick up the phone and reclaim your community. Try it, you'll like it.
 

How many counties in California have a Civil Liberties Monitoring Project ? A Citizens Observation Group ? Is it only Humboldt and Mendocino counties that have cops that abuse civil rights? Use your internet to do some research. Check out the CLMP and all that goes with it. Google "Humboldt County underground economy"

Well, Mendo has a less organized version. SF and Alameda counties have organizations like Copwatch.

But there are counties with more marijuana growing, or at least being busted. The variable is probably the presence of politically minded hippies.
 

Obviously, the only indoor growing would be for connoisseur niche markets.

Obviously, when legal it WON'T be grown indoors with 32 cent per Kwh power like we enjoy under PiG&E!

If California would just fully legalize it, the rest of the states resistance would topple.

The FEDS appear to be ready to hold out as contras until the very last state has Medical-Cannabis. Iowa perhaps?
 

Trader Joes says it will come to Eureka as soon as larger trucks are allowed on our roads.
 

Having lived here for around 30 years, a relative newcomer, I must say that I love the area I live in but am sick of the pot culture mentality that pervades like a Frisco fog.
It's oppressive.
When I first came here my new 'neighbors' visited and brought some magic seeds along - in case I was interested - or, more precisely, to make sure that I would be as much involved with the enterprise as they were and thus, posed no problem for them. The term then as now -a narc. I thanked them and then threw the seeds away. Those particular neighbors are long gone but I'm still here.

Now we have second generation worthless growers with the third now old enough to start learning the family trade.
Problem is there's not enough land left to satisfy the increasing family demand for fast easy cash and so decent people are being leaned on to sell even to the point of threats.
Friends who come to visit, I have discovered, are being questioned by some of the big pot growers who have moved into the hood recently when encountered on the road. Neighbors are being asked repeatedly to sell their land. Intimidation comes in subtle and not so subtle forms. Those pot growers growing days are numbered, at least in my neighborhood they are, goddamn it. But I have no illusions. There will be others who will come along and take their place who will be even worse.
I used to have a live and let live attitude about it but am beginning to realize that the new breed of growers aren't content with that. They want to own and control everything in sight. Power trips backed by guns.

Yeah Eric, keep straw manning meth like it's the real problem and pot is just a harmless well paying facet of our wonderful groovy society up here. Bullshit.

And don't even get me started on the noble Realtor trade here. They should more aptly be called bird dogs to the diesels.
Then you have all the rest of the business people like, Ernie, for example, (he's not the only one), who think the pot growing culture is humorous at worst and a real boon to our, (read, their), economy - So what's the problem? They probably live in smaller enclaves that won't tolerate that sort of thing getting out of hand, or they think it never will. It will. Just a matter of time.
When you come down to it there is no real community here just the trappings and illusions of one. Essentially, it's every man for himself. Always has been, always will.
 

What a bunch of hyperbolic bullshit. If it's so horrible here move to fucking Eureka.
 

Ah, hello..........Rob Church and Zack Stone both had a serious meth problem................
 

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Whew anon 8:38 - that's pretty bleak! Right out of an Ingmar Bergman movie.
 

Trader Joes says it will come to Eureka as soon as larger trucks are allowed on our roads.

Costco, Safeway, and several other chains with stores much larger than a TJ's get along fine with the roads the way they are. I'm not buying that. Anyway, that's not what they tell me when I harass them about it. They say that the population just isn't large enough in concentration, and won't look at the particular consumption patterns of this particular population.
 

we need some kind of TJ buying club or something...
 

Maybe Trader Joes gives different stories to different people but they claim that they only own the largest trucks and would love to come into Eureka.
 

If pot were legalized the local economy would collapse. It's not pot that is the problem it's greed. For many growers enough is never enough. Probably the biggest elephant in the room is the hypocrisy of some in this community who portray themselves as enviromentalists while they and their kids slop diesel all over, ruin the quiet of their neighborhoods with the drone of industrial generators and drive around in their "dumb trucks". One of the younguns told me the goal of many of his buds is to buy the biggest truck find the littlest girlfriend and by her a set of tits. A noble goal. These folks carbon footprint is bigger than their appetite.
 

8:38pm NICELY PUT. Many excellent points, that others chose to ignore.

In the mid 80's through the 90's I just loved to see those helicopters with a big load of some assholes weed swinging underneath. Those thoughts make me feel warm and fuzzy even today.

Go C.A.M.P. go !
 

Legalize it and tax it. End of story. With all the taxes the US of A could potentially collect from marijuana enthusiasts, we could have free health care for all. Not to mention saving all that wasted money on the failed "War on Drugs." Of course, once the crackhead in the White House stole Florida in 2000 all that drug war rhetoric seemed pretty silly! Smoke crack and you can become president too!
 

Actually large scale diesel grows and intensive logging have a lot in common--an intersection of ambition and hubris coupled with social and ecological distortions.

Interesting to see posters declare their cultural identity buy choosing their enemies...
 

"Legalize it and Tax it", that's the common response from drug dealers and drug users.

Legalize it and then all the gun toting river polluting scumbag pieces of shit might have to get a job! You know the ones I'm talking about. The ones that live in Redway or Shelter Cove and commute to their indoor grows that cause bigtime pollution. I think it would be funny.
 

" "Legalize it and Tax it", that's the common response from drug dealers and drug users."

Actually, I can't imagine a drug dealer suggesting legalization. He'd be out of business!
 

they say it but they Never mean it. it's part of the sham ! they want it illegal enough to keep everybody and their brother from doing it but not so illegal to put them away for more than a couple months if they get caught.

i get such a kick, a thrill, a rush when I read about one of the SoHum dope growers getting 10 years in Federal prison!!!!!!
 

So, basically, what you are saying is that Marijuana Growers are driven by greed, selfishness, and a total lack of concern for the land and their fellow beings.

And they believe they are better than the rest of us, so that's why they don't have to obey the laws.

And they are getting rich doing these things they do.

So if I understand this rightly,
it's only the dirt underneath their fingernails that separates these Marijuana Growers from Paris Hilton?
 

what who's saying 11:55pm?

Paris Hilton is a piece of shit also, only in a different catagory. Paris was born into big money, but it was legitimate real money not the proceeds of drug money. In case you haven't heard of the Hotel chain? She certainly didn't get super rich from that stupid reality TV show she did. She's not rich at all it's mommy and daddy. I am enjoying Paris' current problem. She deserves, and needs, the time in jail. Maybe some of the other "celebrities" will catch on...... or at least get treated like the next guy.

Just because paris Hilton is what she is doesn't make a weed growing, oil spilling, diesel burning, gun toting, arrogant jerk any better (or worse) of a person.
 

The original question from the NCJ article was: Would marijuana legalization ruin Humboldt's economy?

"Ruin" is probably too strong a description, but it would put a serious crimp on buying habits and business bottom lines around here.

The article had a very interesting run down on the money order business at the PO's - phenomenal. So even an agency like that would have blowback if it were legalized.

We would become more dependent on tourism as one of the only viable industries left.
Concert venues as a source of tourism? Well, the local drug economy does have a symbiotic relationship there too, as we've figured out, so that may not be the salvation of us either and a risk to promoters as well.
Probably more family oriented tourism around the State Parks and other natural wonders would be a good draw - like it use to be.

There are a lot of retired people moving to the area and the overall population is aging. More attention needs to be put into what the retired set needs are and will be. Therein lies the key to the economic future of this area, I believe. Other areas have made the transition, but we've all become rather lazy and complacent with the pot boom. It will be a hard habit to break.

Rehab anyone?
 

Some good points...........

How about retirees leaving Humboldt County because of the marijuana culture. I knwo of at least four.
 

Don't depend on the drug lords to help the community in any way. They even managed to wreck our Reggae festival, one of the only "alternatives" we had to drug income.
 

Very high indeed. Look it up. And here.
 

Like reggae isn't based on rastafarianism which favors cannabis? Without the herb, there is no reggae. I happen to hate reggae(most of it) but I love cannabis.
Legalising pot would be a great help to the local economy.
 

Meth is an inherently destructive substance. The cranksters rob the potgrowers. And alcohol? How many people get drunk and land in the hoosegow? How many get high on pot and try to beat up anyone? Let's see, that'd be zero. Pot is an inherently peaceful substance. Meth seems inherently violent. Alcohol can go both ways
 

Turning in neighbors is exactly what Hitler asked his citizens to do. Hitler also used the Jews as a scapegoat for all the problems in Germany, as you blame growers for road conditions and a general decline on the moral barometer of our communities. Scapegoating is for tools.

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"Do not resign yourself to living with fear. Do not accept the threats and gunfire."

"Threats and Gunfire"? If you dont like threats and gunfire, stop talking about turning in your neighbors. This county isnt only for people exactly like you. You have to deal with the rest of us. call the police and you can have us all put into a concentration camp. This is supposed to be a free country.