Wednesday, September 26, 2007
Here it is. Decide for yourself whether it's adequate.
Dear Larry,Larry Glass responded to the ER as follows:
I owe you an apology. Last night was neither the time nor the place for me to bring up how your words and deeds have caused great hurt to my family, specifically my daughters. It was impulsive of me. Unfortunately, when I am impulsive, I tend to be single minded (loud) and empathic (louder). I am counting on you as a father and as a political veteran to understand and accept this apology.
I will not belabor the point that I was trying to make to you last night. As you know, I am more than willing to face the slings and arrows that come my way, especially here in Eureka. It is hard for me to express the pain and outrage that I feel when my wife and daughters are needlessly brought in, as you did. I obviously need to adopt a different and better approach when trying to convey to others why I think that it is unfair that my wife and daughters need to suffer because of this.
Again, my apologies for last night.
Glass confirmed by e-mail that he originally received Arkley’s letter on Sept. 6. He said it isn’t a “real apology.”Then Glazer, the new PR guy, reiterated the previous denials of any physical aspect to the confrontation. So far, the only eye-witnesses who have chimed in are Glass, Gans, and one anonymous witness.
“It should say, ‘I’m sorry I ... 1. physically attacked you twice. 2. I’m sorry I disrespected you by calling you ‘nothing’ and a ‘liar.’ 3. I’m sorry I threatened to destroy you if you didn’t vote for my project. 4. I’m sorry I threatened to destroy your business. 5. I’m sorry I paid to have you followed. 6. I’m sorry I threatened to sue you.’ I feel a real and complete apology would offer some promise of behavior modification for the future. Anyone can plainly see it doesn’t contain any of these. I am still waiting.”
I do have to make a few comments. Larry didn't bring Arkley's wife and kids into the fight. But they're in it now. And while it is clearly an apology, when you're apologizing for inappropriate behavior, you don't try to justify it. You just apologize. And Larry is right, there is no promise to refrain from similar behavior in the future. He's almost suggesting that he has no control over it.
But it is an apology. Where to go from here?
Addendum: The TS has a little more detail.
Glass said he found it important that the same day Arkley sent the apology, Gans told The Eureka Reporter -- which is owned by Arkley -- that Glass was acting like a “publicity-seeking politician.”
”You have to weigh that in context with the lack-of-apology apology,” Glass said.That is certainly odd.
Glass said the topic of Arkley's daughters didn't come up until about halfway through Arkley's “tirade,” and then Arkley only made a passing reference to them.
”He mentioned it, but it was certainly not the paramount thing that he was talking about,” Glass said.And then Glazer continues the counter-attack.
The conversation at the Avalon, Glazer said, centered around Glass' treatment of Arkley's daughters. First, Glazer said, Glass distributed anti-Arkleyville stickers and T-shirts at his shop, then was insensitive when Arkley's daughters came to talk to him about it. He said Arkley accused Glass of being a liar because Glass said he would stop carrying the anti-Arkleyville paraphernalia but didn't for several weeks.
Glazer also asked why Glass didn't distribute the e-mail to local media after receiving it, called Glass' citing the e-mail's accompanying disclaimer as playing a game and accused Glass of misleading the local media by not owning up to having received the e-mail.
”It's bewildering and somewhat appalling,” Glazer said. “It gives that odor that it's all about politics and manipulating the media.”
If anyone's manipulating the media, Glass said it is not him.
Glass is lucky Arkley didn't punch his lights out. Glass is scraping the barrel along with all the rest of you without anything else to contribute to the community but these vicious witch hunts against your Republican opponents. Very dirty politics and we don't need that kind of shit here in Humboldt County. Take it back to the big city where you guys brought it from.
You bring a Leftist anti-community social war-mongering dirty politics philosophy with you and we really could do without it. Take it back to the Bay Area or NYC or Chicago where you got from.
FUCK OFF STEPHEN!!
We aren't all inbred idiots like you.
I'm sorry you made so mad."
That, folks, is not an apology. He has not said anywhere in the letter that he is apologizing for any specific actions on his part. Instead, he talks only about what Larry did.
That is a 'wife beater's apology.' "I'm sorry I hurt you, but you made me do it." Not saying Arkley is a wife beater, but he is apologizing by blaming the victim.
For an apology to be legitimate, it has to say what, specifically the person is apologizing for. This letter does not. It is simply not an apology.
BTW, Larry never said he didn't receive an e-mail from Arkley; he only said it didn't count as an apology. He was correct.
The apology: “I’m sorry you hurt the feelings of my family. I will try not to get angry at you for hurting my family’s feelings.”
Anyway, none of this relates to the criminal investigation. Arkley seems to be making up some personal excuse for what is political (which to him means Business).
Maybe he is getting ready to fold Security National, and wants someone convenient to blame. It would be easy for him to blame all of us who don't work for him or have not been purchased in some financial way - he calls us "socialists". What a guy.
I owe you an apology. I didn’t do anything wrong, but I shouldn’t have dealt with you in public. I was drunk. Unfortunately, when I am drunk, I tend to be an asshole. I am counting on you to shut the fuck up.
I will not belabor why you are to blame for my actions. As you know, I am more than willing to throw my weight around. It is hard for me to express the pain and outrage that I feel when someone calls me on my bullshit, as you did. I obviously need to deal with you behind closed doors when trying to convey to you why you are wrong.
Again, my apologies for what you did to make me mad last night.
Now if Kevin Hoover actually apologized for stomping on another journalists' foot during the Arcata City Council debate, THAT would be an apology truly worthy of hell freezing over!
For the public relations aspect of this, the apology is probably better for Arkley than Glass. I know people can argue about its shortcomings, but the bottom line is that it is an apology whatever its shortcomings.
And no, Ed, saying the word apology does not make it an apology. As has been previously stated, blaming the victim for your bad behavior in an apology negates any remorse for your actions. The only thing he is sorry about is that he did it in public.
When Arkley’s daughters confronted Glass about the way he was treating their dad, Glass should have said, “I’m sorry girls, I know you want to protect your dad, but this is between your dad and me”. Glass should have taken his disagreement to Arkley, instead of taking the opportunity to smear his thoughts in Arkley’s daughters faces. When did all this third party fighting start?
I don’t know, but I would imagine that Arkley would be a person with a strong will, or he wouldn’t be the successful person that he is. In my opinion, he showed excellent restraint. Fifty years ago if you had messed with a persons family, that person would have kicked your ass up one side of Two Street and back down the other, and there would have been no apology, and it would have been over with, because it would have been considered as paying a debt of honor. Family transcends politics, and honor is worth fighting for.
With due respect for Ed and Eric, when did we give up on the notion that we could speak for ourselves and not have to do all of are arguing through a third party lawyer? Why have we asked lawyers and politicians to take over our world, or did they do it without our asking? When did we decide to sacrifice our personal character? In today’s society we have no choice, how did that happen? Are we better off?
I don’t know about you, but I would way rather be poked in the nose, and have it done with, that slapped with a lawsuit. We all condemn dog fighting. What are we doing but the same thing when we sic our lawyers after someone instead of standing up for ourselves.
I’ve lived in both worlds. Yesterday’s and today’s. So I’ve seen both. Back then, people were more careful of what they said, because they might have had to instantly back it up. It’s apparent that there are more people today that will run off at the mouth about anything, whether they know anything or not , and try to pass them selves off as “experts”. They can hide behind their curtains of anonymousness, and the less they have to lose, the more mouthy they become. What the heck, they have nothing to lose. I guess now I can include myself in this sorry bunch of losers with this comment.
2. Eric - you idiot - hell Glass brought this man's family into it long ago.
3. I wasn't there Eric, but you weren't also so it seems that you have decided to take Glass' version over Arkley's on just a whim.
Get a life - all of you.
No, RA brought his family into it by using them in a public way. Look at all the money donated by the ADULT children of RA. They contribute money to push an ideology in the public forum. Yet they are still upset a year later over a small bit of political propaganda not even aimed at them.
If RA is so worried about the fragile emotions of his poor little girls, maybe he should act better in public. They got enough to worry about in dealing with all the foreclosures going on these days.
You are right, I know neither party, and I know nothing of the “shoving match”. But, I’ve been led believe that the shove was over Glass’ treatment of Arkley’s daughters. Which would make the shove seem somewhat justified to my archaic way of thinking. I know that I don’t fit in today’s world.
Why were all the other more pertinent facts never an issue? Why is this all of a sudden a great big deal? Shouldn’t the political intimidation be the great big deal? What is wrong with our priorities? Why does it take a somewhat justified personal shove to get people to take action?
Just so you know where I fit. I don’t think Walmart would be good for Humboldt Co. So, if Arkley is for that, my beef is with him, not his family. I think that the balloon tract should remain a much needed industrial, and shipping area. Parks belong somewhere else. Say, over by the Zoo, and not in the interface of the water and the land. There are plenty of places for water/land parks that are better, and should not be pushing aside an important industrial area. Important to our future, maybe not us.
But then you know what they say, “opinions are like assholes, everybody has one”.
Oswald, he's just a patsy.
Now if Kevin Hoover actually apologized for stomping on another journalists' foot during the Arcata City Council debate, THAT would be an apology truly worthy of hell freezing over!
Wed Sep 26, 07:53:00 AM
I think Hoover would sooner eat glass than actually admit to letting his grudges get the better of rational thought.
Arkley wants to put a Home Depot on the balloon tract, not a Walmart, although the same argument could be made about Home Depot as Walmart, which we voted down years ago. Using waterfront land for retail stores is very poor land use.
That all being said, words cannot legally justify a physical attack. Intimidation of government officials can never be condoned in a democratic society. If you don't like a politician, run against him or work to replace him. The problem is that some people think the power of their wallets gives them the right to force their will on the rest of us.
Larry whines it was not a “real” apology. What he did not hear in the e-mail was an expression that Arkley was “sorry.” Well, Larry, that is because Arkley was not, and is not, “sorry.”
Let’s start with the word “apology,” versions of which Arkley used 3 times in his e-mail to Larry. Here’s one set of definitions:
1. apology - an expression of regret at having caused trouble for someone; “he wrote a letter of apology to the hostess”
2.apology - a formal written defense of something you believe in strongly
3.apology - a poor example; “it was an apology for a meal”; “a poor excuse for an automobile”
It is apparent that the Arkley apology letter incorporates both the first and second definitions. He apologized in the form of a “regret” apology by starting off the e-mail with “I owe you an apology.” That tone is clearly regretful. It is not defensive or justifying.
Clearly, later in the e-mail the second definition is in play as Arkley was defending and justifying his actions. He was not sorry to have been defending his family’s name and his wife and daughters’ honor. This fits the second definition of apology, “a formal written defense of something you believe in strongly.”
Finally, in closing, Arkley returned to the regret form of the definition. “Again, my apologies for last night.” This is regret, not defense or justification.
I agree with Ed Denson and Eric Kirk. This e-mail is not xculpatory in any fashion. But it is what it is. Arkley clearly knew what he did was regretful and within 20+ hours of the event he was honorable enough to directly express to Larry his sincere regret; at the same time he used the e-mail to remind Larry that Arkley was formally stating his defense of his wife and daughters. That is not “hiding behind” them, it is defending his family name, clearly something that matters to he and his family. You can mock that sentiment, but he clearly states that is what animated him at the event.
The regret portion of the e-mail includes, as Ed noted, an indication that Arkley wishes he had done it at a different time and place, and that he regrets his manner that evening and hopes to do better in the future.
Yes, by both cited references, it is an apology letter.
What is Larry’s public response? “He didn’t say he was sorry!”
Well, Larry, hell will freeze over before Arkley says he was sorry. He was not sorry, if by that you mean Arkley should forsake his defense of his wife, daughters and family name. I would frankly think less of him if he did express sorrow for having defended his name. And it is silly for Larry to whine about a lack of expressed sorrow in the apology.
Larry comes off as rather precious. By that I mean “precious” as in “Artificially genteel or extremely sophisticated and picky.” Get over it.
You got some serious covering up to do buddy!!
“Glass never attacked Arkley's family.”
You have better information than I have if you know that to be a fact, as I don’t. What I read leaves some indication that it was over family issues.
Who would have benefited if Walmart had come to town?
Walmart, Home Depot, Outside Interest Mega-Corp. Whatever… an outside corporation nipple to suck the local economy dry. An economy that has little input after the lumber mills and fishing industries have been depleted. Why are we all up in arms over a shove instead of what we should do to feed some money back into Humboldt Co?
It’s sounds like we are not too far apart in our politics. But it’s my opinion ( I know…) that this flap is all stirred up over the wrong issues. Are you saying that “the shove” was over politics, and not family insults? Please cure my obvious naivety.
Is it any clearer for you now?
You are delusional.
Passing out little stickers that say “No Arkleyville” is bringing Arkley’s family into it? Your world must be intimidating.
You are delusional.
The shove was about Mr. Glass voting or not voting for Arkley’s project. “If you don’t support my project I will destroy you!!” With a shove thrown in. Get it?
That’s what I said.
And all you anonymous "old-timers" are R.Trent frauds as far as we can tell who will post anything to discredit those who post expose Prog propaganda and propagandists.
I am so pleased to be omitted from the list of those you consider "delusional." Does this mean you agree with me?
No I do not agree with you. To say that Arkley was defending his family name is disingenuous. You know it and I know it. Arkley was not defending his family name but manufacturing an excuse to threaten a public official in my opinion. Those little stickers had nothing to do with the family name but rather with what Arkley was/is trying to do.
Your take on it is irrelevant.
All that is relevant is what Mr. A felt and was speaking to Larry about that evening. We were not there but Mr. A apologized and defended his actions by relating it to defense of his family name. Larry agreed the issue was raised.
You don't believe him? Who cares what you believe?
Mr. A had never before met with Mr. G. That was in the early reports. So, though it may have been a year old issue, that meeting may well have been his first opportunity to tell Mr. G what he thought of his sticker and t-shirt campaign of 2006.
That is relevant.
"Anti-Arkleyville bumperstickers are in no way an attack on the Arkley name.
They are a political statement of what direction we DON'T want our town to go."
What does that statement mean in English?
Trolls are most effectively addressed by aggressive moderation. Where the blog owner is not willing to take that step, it's best to ignore them, as it's engagement they seek.
Otherwise, we're left with asking Eric to ban him.
Frankly, most in my office are laughing their asses off at Glass over this.
No, I do not agree with him most of the time, but that is not the point.
If people disagree with him, they can offer their own arguments. It is fundamentally unAmerican to ban a person from public discourse because they respresent a minority viewpoint. It is not the way to arrive at the Truth.
“Next we consider the source of the requirement that the statement created a reasonable belief in the recipient that it would be carried out. The text of section 71 does not reference the belief of the recipient of the purported threat or the reasonableness of that belief. Nevertheless, the requirement exists because it is inherent in the definition of a true threat, which is affected by the constitutional limitations imposed by the First Amendment. (See Virginia v. Black, supra, 538 U.S. at pp. 358-359 [a "true threat" includes a statement made to communicate a serious expression of intent to commit an unlawful act of violence to an individual or group].) The following quote from Monterroso illustrates this point:
"'"As long as the threat reasonably appears to be a serious expression of intention to inflict bodily harm [citation] and its circumstances are such that there is a reasonable tendency to produce in the victim a fear that the threat will be carried out," a statute proscribing such threats "is not unconstitutional for lacking a requirement of immediacy or imminence."' (People v. Hines [(1997)] 15 Cal.4th [997,] 1061, quoting In re M.S. (1995) 10 Cal.4th 698, 714 ….)" (People v. Monterroso, supra, 34 Cal.4th at p. 776.) “
btw - the rest of eureka is laughing at Glass
Is he being destroyed?And please explain"rest of Eureka".I was there for some time and didn't see anything like that.
Do you get it now?
Now if he would just become wise enough to drop the rants about the middle-eastern people, and quit claiming that he talks to God. It would work wonders for him.
But he is learning to be breif enough for people to read his postings. That's good!
What is ALSO relevant is what Mr. Glass perceived the argument to be about. It was reported that “according to Glass, Arkley also repeatedly called him a “liar” and threatened to destroy Glass' business if he didn't vote for "his project" (presumably the Balloon Track proposal)”. Just because “Mr. A” “apologized and defended his actions by relating it to defense of his family name” does not mean that the threat and shove was related to said defense. It does not appear that Mr. a. apologized for what Mr. a. said to Mr. Glass about the his vote. If all Mr. a. was talking about was the sticker and t-shirt campaign then he should not have threatened to destroy Mr. Glass because of his vote on the Balloon Track proposal. Therein lies the biggest problem Mr. a. has. The threat of what would happen to Mr. Glass if he did not vote the way Mr. a. wanted him to vote. Mr. Glass said he thought he was threatened about his vote so Mr. a. should have at least told Mr. Glass there was no threat about a vote but the threat/argument/altercation was about calling his family names if that was what Arkley was really talking about.
Another dimension, that seems important to posters on all sides is what was actually said. Did your witness, Dennis the Menace's next door neighbor report any of the conversation?
So was it "you trashed my kids" or "We will bury you" Or both or neither?
An observation....a whole lot of people seem to be splitting hairs with surgical precision to condemn one or the other of the parties to this. Desperately clinging to their positions and good guy/bad guy way of evaluating any issue or dispute.
Clearly, they all screwed up. Arkley, in shooting his mouth off and Glass in making a huge issue out of an otherwise predictable dust up given the monumental egos on both sides of the table. And the partisan bloggers who seem to lack the ability to get past predjudices, to the facts in a dispute that is absent merit beyond the players.
true enough, the only FACT here that is worth mentioning is the fact that a CITY COUNCILMAN was threatened to vote a certain way...
That's unless you allow yourself to be persuaded by the spin.
It's a shit storm....the facts are fleeting and the opinions/assumptions prevail. Even your esteemed self 5:10. Unless you were there.
You didn't hear aything and didn' see anything and that is exactly my point.
I WAS there. I didn't hear anything and didn't see anything and Dennis the Menace's next door neighbor, upon closer examination didn't either.
So my question for you is can you separate what you know from what you choose to believe?
Larry should have accepted revisionist history that Arkley was standing up for his daughters?
Get a grip, boy. Maybe Arkley should also apologize for kicking the Chinese out of Humboldt. It would be just as relative.
Some of them would probably have agreed with some aspects of your politics, and others less so, but all would make fun of you for your silly presumptions. Just as I do, newcomer.
Um, I live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
I live in a country of laws, NOT majority rules.
And judging by the pat elections our Republic is doing just fine, thank you.
If you think that Rob Arkley has his way with everything in this county, think again.
Bill Pierson has about as much local political power as Arkley.
Should we come out with Anti-Bill Pierson stickers and pro-home Depot stickers?
What if Mike Jones or Polly Endert post these stickers at their place of business? (Leonard is a civil servant and Kerrigan... does he even have a job at age 28?)
Can you imagine the uproar if Jones or Endert posted Anti-Bill Pierson stickers?
Yet we give Glass a free pass?
What's up with that?
What does that have to do with him getting assulted and threatened in multiple ways?
Quit changing the subject.
Absolutely!! Hell you've got stickers and sweatshirts out already!!
And yeah get those anti-Pierson stickers out ASAP.
We can have a competition to see burns through their stacks fastest,anti-Arkleyville vs anti-Pierson.
know about them?
Little fish that attach themselves to sharks for the scraps.
In this case it's independent discretion or origninal thought. You my friend are devoid of both.
You add nothing to the discourse except an arrogant suggestion that you really know what you're talking about.......and of course, you don't.
Get a hobby.
Well I remember Security National sending out mailers(8 pages I believe) in support of Home Depot.
Maybe Shane should've sent out Anti-Arkleyville mailers instead of putting stickers at various locations.
Now let's see how calm Billy Boy remains.
And what is this "I live in a Republic" crap, as if it didn't mean a DEMOCRATIC Republic? Our people die for democracy.
Tell it to the judge, it WAS an apology. Larry lied and said he didn't get one. No matter what way you try to spin it, Larry fucked up.
Heraldo, you act like you're proud of being a community asshole jerking the public around with phony IDs.
Pretty childish or pretty sick politically..
1. I committed a crime against an elected public official
2. I’m putting in writing that I committed a crime against an elected public official
3. Please have me arrested using my own words against me in court
4. Please file a civil lawsuit against me
How dumb are these people?
In both cases sorry excuses for pretending to be what they are not!
Rob Arkley's daughters & wife involved themselves by confronting Larry. It isn't as though Larry tried to involve them. What is this? The little women need protection?
Seems that Michael Wilson, Larry's one and only eye witness, is having memory loss when questioned by the EPD.
Maybe it's the perjury thing with jail time and fines for lying.
Or maybe Larry Glass made the whole thing up from his conspiracy imagination.
Either way, not looking good for the Glass Man.
Does this mean that Larry Glass will have to apologize for distributing the Anti-Arkleyville stickers in the first place?
Maybe I can get someone to make up “Cracked Glass” stickers for me to distribute at my place of work.
Turnabout is fair play.
When did Michael Wilson make a statement? Where are your facts?
Betcha this comes straight from the offices of of Security National, or Glasier's PR firm. Unbelievable.
And you gotta love the LTE in the E-R this morning... A schoolgirl in Utah know's that Larry is lying about what happened that night. 100 bucks says the Arkley's are trying to get anyone to write in to their paper discrediting Glass.
Does anyone really think the Eureka Reporter is unbiased? Read the letters that they choose to publish, their editorials, and their endorsements.
Maggie and Allison grew up as children in the same neighborhood. They played together and matured together. Maggie believes her friend, Allison, when she reports that Glass referred to she and her sister, Elizabeth, as "collateral damage" in a war he was engaged in with CREG over the Marina Center project.
Now, if we allow that the Arkleys have real friends, and that they share things that happen in their lives with their real friends, then the LTE is corroboration of Allison Arkley's report. That makes Maggie's letter to the editor relevant and important.
Glass has positioned himself as a victim in this case; he may be better characterized by his own words, "an insurgent" in a war over the Marina Center, who tells the Arkley daughters they are merely "collateral damage" in that war.
If Glass told the Arkley girls that they are "collateral damage," that is relevant to his state of mind in the way Glass is dealing with their father in this alleged incident.
Who's the bully, now, Larry?
I think that we should start referring to Larry as “Shattered Glass.” It is so much more appropriate.
I am looking forward as to exactly what Shattered Glass’ one witness says to the cops. I hope he remembers that lying to an officer will get him jail.
Anon 9:49 (aka Steven Glasier)
So do you honestly believe that Arkley was threatening Larry over his daughters, not the Marina Center proposal? Do you honestly think Arkley didn't say A WORD about the Marina Center in his rant? Do you honestly think Arkley didn't threaten him if he voted for in favor of the Marina Center? Or you really think Arkley didn't threaten to harm Larry's business?
This whole story has NOTHING to do with Arkley's daughters other than the fact that they don't care for the anti-arkley stickers that were handed out in Larry's store.
If you believe that Arkley was threatening Glass about his daughters, then you either must have been a witness and heard it yourself, or you believe that EVERYTHING Larry stated in his claim is a blatant lie.
I doubt you'll answer these questions. YOu just continue to throw the family issue in there. Talk about collateral damage!
You better believe that Security National is hard at work contacting everyone that was at that event.
Gans and Morressey are earning their pay this month, no doubt.
To say that it's not happening is only speculation.
There is another way - Larry is lying.
Never mention the Marina Center! Never mention the Marina Center!
-Steven Glasier, PR Spin Machine
If Arkley was that upset over the insult to his name on the anti-Arkley stickers or the way that Glass supposedly treated his daughters, he could have spoken to Glass about it at any time over the ensuing year. This reminds me of men who encourage their wives to pick fights so they can justify battery as defending their women folk.
apology Larry. Those who live in Glass houses shouldn't lie. Glass can be seen through.
that you would attack the family is pathetic.
that Glass evidently has no character to continue this is pathetic.
All of you haters on each side are pathetic.
Honorable people stand up to be counted when powerful people try to circumvent the democratic process by intimidating our elected officials. That is what Glass is doing. People who can't understand this obviously have no honor themselves.
A rule of evidence that prohibits secondhand testimony at a trial. For example, if an eyewitness to an accident later tells another person what she saw, the second person's testimony is hearsay.
Shows you have no honor. Just another one of the prostitutes who thinks money can buy anything. Pathetic.
Most people know this has nothing to do with his family and everything to do with the Marina Center.
But remember, don't ever say anything regarding the marina center!
Having lots of money doesn't mean you have integrity. Integrity isn't something you can buy. But it can buy prostitutes who will testify that you have some. LOL
And helped fix the zoo?
Rebuilt the Daly's into an Entertainment Center?
Redone some of the ugly Eureka 5th Street corridor?
Bought a useless piece of land (Balloon track) and wants it to be cleaned up and used by the public? (And offered in the past to buy this same land and give it to the city and they said "no"?)
Hires many people paying living wages and paying for their children’s education? Helping our economy through tax revenues and supplying workers who buy locally?
Built the new CO-Op for all to enjoy? (And gives us great Flatmo art?)
Must be some other Rob I am guessing. Robin Arkley is a local boy from Arcata High.
Rose is right. Why should the Arkley family spend another dime on this area?
And just what has Larry brought to the table locally? Oh yes, Larry is from Los Angeles area.
Keep up the good work.
But I'm sure if someone posted at 1:41, they would have said the same thing!
ok try this one
Evidence of a statement previously made by a witness that is consistent with his testimony at the hearing is inadmissible to support his credibility unless it is offered after:
(a) Evidence of a statement made by him that is inconsistent with any part of his testimony at the hearing has been admitted for the purpose of attacking his credibility, and the statement was made before the alleged inconsistent statement; or
(b) An express or implied charge has been made that his testimony at the hearing is recently fabricated or is influenced by bias or other improper motive, and the statement was made before the bias, motive for fabrication, or other improper motive is alleged to have arisen.
Cal Evid Code § 791
or this one...
In examining a witness concerning a statement or other conduct by him that is inconsistent with any part of his testimony at the hearing, it is not necessary to disclose to him any information concerning the statement or other conduct.
Cal Evid Code § 769
The fact is that you don’t know squat 11:39. Were you one of the idiots who helped pen that truly lousy PL appellate brief filed by Gallegos that I just read on line?
NO, NO, NO!! Nobody said a thing about the Marina Center! This is about family! Glass hates Mr. Arkley's family!
Remember: Family, Family, Family!!
YES! YES! YES!!
It's about family, harassment, and collateral damage! But you mentioned the marina center- can you re-post and delete that?
-Steven Glazier, PR Mastermind
Maybe because it took a drunken night at Avalon, when the Marina Center was the hot topic given the Coastal Commission mixer?
Wow, it sure was hard to come to that conclusion-
Larry says something like "about a month after that I backed away from any involvement in distributing the stickers in my store"
Try 'alleged' physical attack. Idiot! Arkley's team of sharp as a tack lawyers will make mush out these flimsy and dull arguments that you repeatedly and ignorantly keep pushing forth about Glass being "attacked" over the marina "issue". Sorry that just doesn't wash.
On the other hand Arkley's family was attacked by Glass. And this was perpetuated over an extended period of time. That has now been substantiated by published testimony. Why did Glass wait so long to remove the offensive material from his store? Eh? I hate to have to inform you of this, but the truth of the matter is that Glassholes's chances are looking worse every minute.
If Glass really did call those baby Arkleys collateral damage he should be ashamed. What sort of henious person would call little girls something like that? That has to be the worst thing I have ever heard!! NOT!!
Oh, that's right. Dubya calls dead Afghani and Iraqi girls collateral damage, as well as any other life form in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Is that what Arkley meant when he said he would destroy him? Us local yokels aren't as stupid as you seem to think. We know how you crooked fat cats operate. The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.
There are a lot more of us "nobodies" than there are you rich guys. Probably why you don't like the democratic process.
YES! YES!! YES!!
Us nobodies seem to be able to ruffle your feathers quite easily.
Is it any surprise that he is a conservative? They are still mourning the loss of King George.
In the end it is the courts as well as competition in the free market that will decide the fate of this issue and influence the way forward towards moral health and economic growth in our community.
You are losing control and it is eating you up. We know all about you freaks who claim moral superiority and then buy prostitutes, male and female, cheat on your wives, cheat on your taxes, and rob the treasury with your corporate welfare and no-bid contracts.
You don't know the meaning of integrity or honor. You can't buy either.
Your claims are merely theoretical. You are generalizing and it makes you look stupid. What's the matter, unable to keep your attention on the matter at hand? Your abstractions and ramblings stem from an idealism which I have no interest in. I am discussing applied ethics, something no doubt beyond your intellectual grasp. We were discussing the specific behaviors of specific individuals, remember? Probably not, seeing as concrete facts seem to be something that you, living in your world of ideals and delusion, are unfamiliar with.
YES! YES! YES!
couldn't have said it better myself
-Steven Glazier, PR Superhero
And FYI, there is no such thing as the free market in the US.
Arkley is fighting evil in his quest to build a Home Depot on waterfront property. Anyone who opposes Arkley's quest is on the dark side and is going to hell.
Arkley didn't say a word about the Marina Center at the mixer- He's a family man first and foremost.
What is the Marina Center anyway? Never heard of it.
The funny thing, the interesting thing that can be observed here, is that the rantings here on this blog, especially for the last day or so have been from one, maybe two(three at the most people)...
Hey, "family guy,Glaizer"...(snark)
It was clever a couple of times, and yes though it is annoying ad nauseum, you defeat your own purpose through the sheer volume of your posts....
Its obvious that it is one person....
shit dude(ette?) I could post a hundred times and give the impression that there are people massing at the gates of Arkelyville...or Heraldoville for that matter...
Point is, its still just two or three of you and beyond the insulated world of these specific blogs, it means zilch...zero...nada...
and to boot...you werent there, I wasnt there, and we dont KNOW what happened...
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