Saturday, September 22, 2007

 

The Arkley family responds

Not about the incident specifically. But one of the Arkley daughters is slamming Glass, saying he was "insensitive" in their discussion about the stickers a year ago. And the new PR guy is framing the confrontation in terms of "an angry parent."

As they say about the best defense.

Addendum: Heraldo covers a radio interview this new PR guy, Steven Glazer, made. It's all a counter-attack. Well, maybe I'm seeing this wrong. I've been wrong before. But I think Arkley is making a huge mistake here. The pro-Marina Center forces had the high road and a surprising level of support coming out of last fall's election. They're squandering it.

Comments:
I highly recommend the discussion on this article at the TS website. Some truth may be in the offing.
 
I still say Larry is a Glasshole. You leftists need to look in a mirror. You applaud any uncultured and ignorant fool that criticizes what your absurd ideology has led you to hate. You have become everything that your ideology supposedly stands against. You are the new hypocrites.
 
Besides, just count the medals hanging on General Arkley's chest and those bright shiny stars all in a row. How could anyone dispute what,uh,oops, sorry, wrong thread.

As you were, troops.
 
Anonymous #1 may wish to be more specific, as the TS thread is long and lunatic.

Anonymous #2, you may post all of the patently offensive epithets you wish too, but that won't change the fact that Mr. Glass probably contributes much more to this community than you ever will.
 
Who were the old hypocrites?
 
Just what pray tell has Larry Glass contributed to the community but stupid political attacks on Arkley's development plans? Discount T-shirts?

And the Arkley family has contributed what to the community cultural facilities? Huh? Huh? Huh?

Glass is just another parasitic Prog mosquito trying to bite an elephant who hauls logs to market so the community can prosper.
 
Does anyone else see the pattern here on Eric's blog? This is where nasty small-minded people try to smear the reputations of those who actually contribute to the community and don't take away, don't cost us more money.

Smears on political foes. And this is what Progressives call political activism..

Smearing Republicans, this is a political "vision"?

Let's see how much political mileage Hank gets with Eric's and other Prog support for Hank's smear job of Campbell. Maybe he can get the Grand Jury to investigate. Maybe he can get Paul Gallegos right hand man with killer credentials to head the Grand Jury's investigation of Campbell,

I can see it all now, another $200, 000 trial, another judge throwing out the case for lack of evidence but the political smear mileage, now that can be accomplished regardless of truth.

And after all, isn't attacking a Republican and getting your name in the paper every day worth it?
 
Very well put 10:54, their ideology gives the libs an excuse to express their hatred in a self righteous manner. The only point I disagree with you on is that their hypocrisy is new, it's nothing new, 99% of them have never practiced what they preach.
 
There's nothing so nauseating as a rich bitch (of either sex) complaining that other citizens are "not sensitive enough" to their petty concerns and complaints.
 
As soon as these liberals bust Kevin Hoover for smashing someone else's foot at that Arcata candidate debate, I'll start listening to them cry over Larry's spilled milk. Until then, they're just more Central Committee hypocrites and their pathetic lackeys like Joel Mielke/Azalea Park Ranger.
 
Did you press charges against Kevin?
 
You mean with that same Arcata Police Department which Kevin Hoover has spent his last 10 years sucking the nightstick of?

That's kind of like expecting the Sheriffs to bust Rodoni for drunk driving, eh?
 
Does anyone else see the pattern here on Eric's blog? This is where nasty small-minded people try to smear the reputations of those who actually contribute to the community and don't take away, don't cost us more money.

You got that exactly right.
 
What about the little girl who's stuck in the television???
 
"As soon as these liberals bust Kevin Hoover for smashing someone else's foot..."

Oh, let's guess! This must be Charles Douglas, the hard-working journalist who can't get an even break?
 
So, what I'm hearing here is that Arkley is a philanthropist who's only real concern is the betterment of the area, right?
That must also explain Murdock's zeal in acquiring the WSJ.
Just regular John D. Rockafellers, all.

When do I get my shiny new dime?
And, more importantly, what do I have to do to get it?
 
I say it's time to start redistributing those damn stickers.
 
Yeah, but now the stickers ought to say "Bullyville" that way they apply equally to Rob Arkley, Kevin Hoover and all the other physical assault-prone bullies in our community.
 
Arkley builds. Progs tear down. Simple arithmatic.
 
Hey, Eric, I notice you are absent from this current thread. Did you read the same T/S article I did?

Haven't you been the one the last 2 weeks decrying the apparent failure of Arkley to apologize to Glass? Repeated, over and over again, you wanted to see an apology.

So, then, what about the report in the T/S that Arkley had apologized THE NEXT DAY by e-mail?

And what about Glass' claim in earlier T/S reports that he was only prosecuting this claim because Arkley had failed to apologize? This is becoming one of those "what did he know and when did he know it stories." If Glass indeed had already received an e-mailed apology directly from Arkley THE NEXT DAY, and yet he denied that in reports, and used the claimed lack of an apology for his reason to prosecute, WOW!

Now, in the latest story, Glass claims Arkley's hiring of a PR rep is intended to "revictimize" Glass?!

We are all being played for fools by Glass.

Think about it.

(Or, more likely, you will change your mind and conclude that an apology was never that important).

I suggest that to be consistent, all you can do is call on Glass to share the written apology he received directly from Arkley, THE NEXT DAY.

Glass is stonewalling all of you. Sickening.
 
Glass is looking sleazier and sleazier by the minute. And now it comes out that he was very likely lying about the alleged physical contact as well. Hmmm.
 
well if arcata bullies like bob ornelas get off free of charge then why shouldnt rob arkley?
 
now it comes out that he was very likely lying about the alleged physical contact

No, it looks like Arkley is continuing his attack.

Rob still hasn't responded for himself and is hiding behind his daughters. Pathetic.
 
NO MORE GAMES, GLASS, SHOW US THE APOLOGY!
 
Larry has lied to no one. He has the witness to confirm that.
 
Don't try to re-frame the issue 1:19, the issue now is whether Glass received an apology THE NEXT DAY and has been playing us all for fools.

SHOW US THE APOLOGY!
 
Glass has said that he received an e-mail, but that it did not include an actual apology from Arkley for his actions. The e-mail did include a confidentiallity notice at the bottom, which Glass would have to breach in oder to distribute. As he noted in the article, distribution of the e-mail, whatever it contains, is up to Arkley as the sender.
 
An apology from a serial liar, cheat, alcoholic and philanderer is worthless.
 
Did the arkley girl even reside in eureka in 06?
 
Thank you 1:34. I was beginning to think these idiots had read a different article than I read. Just goes to show that not only are conservatives less intelligent than liberals, they are functionally illiterate too.

Fingersfly
 
What a wimp to not apologize in person.
 
i see Joel Mielke's hard on for Charles continues. I guess Carson Park RumpRanger is having more trouble in his advancing years trolling for teen boys so he has to obsess over former colleagues.
 
Conservatives are able to discern lying from Glass, however, when he says to the media he is prosecuting the claim because he received no apology.

When it is shown he did get one, THE NEXT DAY, he is shown to be the liar that he is. So, does he own up to it? Nope. He hides behind the standard disclaimer at the bottom of the apology e-mail.

Well, guess what, such disclaimers typically only assert that if the person who receives the e-mail was not the intended recipient, then that person (the unintended recipient) may not disseminate the message. The intended recipient may.

Glass is playing you, and you seem to like it. Let the games play on!

Eventually Glass will have to own up to the fact that Arkley apologized THE NEXT DAY. But, Glass is a victim and he could not receive the apology. Could not hear it. Would not hear it.

Why? Because his victim status is working better for him than the truth.
 
1:50, do you have any personal information as to the content of the exact disclaimer you are spewing about? No?? Then STFU!
 
Indeed, 1:55, what if I do?

Moohuahua
 
What do they say about the best defense? Blame the victim?
 
Funny that Mr. A. hasn't published that heartfelt apology himself.
 
1:56, if you have personal information regarding that disclaimer then obviously you must either be Arkley or (GASP) work for him. There is nothing stopping Arkley from releasing his e-mail of apology. He must not think it will look like an apology either. LOL
 
This is all about the truth.

Glass says he is prosecuting because he got no apology.

But he did.

Now he admits he got an e-mail THE NEXT DAY, but claims it was not a real apology.

Oh?

Show us so that we might agree with you.

"Gee," says Mr. Glass,"I'd really like to but it says it is confidential, so I can't."

Oh, really? Is that what the disclaimer really says? Or are you simply caught in a continuing lie, with layers, like an onion?

It will be really funny when Glass shares the e-mail he received THE NEXT DAY from Arkley. Not only will it be a clear apology, it will not say he could not share it.
 
Yeah well when does an emailed apology correct the actions of a criminal? This has nothing to do with an email.
 
Again, Arkley can release the apology e-mail and show the world that Glass is a lying scum bucket. Why doesn't he?
 
Wait a minute!

You want Arkley to share a confidential e-mail message!?

Why ... why ... it just wouldn't be right.

LOL

Glass is playing you and you still won't hold him accountable.

Priceless.
 
I hope you Arkley serfs are getting paid overtime for this grueling work defending your indefensible master. Your twists of logic are obviously making you dizzy to the point of insensibility. :)
 
Maybe thats how it works in Orinda.
 
Glass is going to be sooooooo embarrassed when he finally shares that e-mail he received THE NEXT DAY.

Can't be any clearer than that.
 
It would be strange if Mr. Glazer were not posting in every availble venue as paid defender of Arkley. If only you Arkley serfs had worked a little harder protecting him he wouldn't have had to outsource this job to Orinda. Glazer's pay will come out of your Xmas bonuses. :)
 
2:18? did you ride the short bus to school? the apology has a PRIVACY DISCLAIMER on it...he cant give it legally.......
 
"Glass is going to be sooooooo embarrassed when he finally shares that e-mail he received THE NEXT DAY"

Yeah, especially the part where Rob says he will not destroy him and that after the next PI stops following him he won't hire andy more... for a while.
 
Larry gave the e-mail to the police. Don't worry, we will get to read it eventually. Stephen is talking to himself again.
 
larry released the privacy disclaimer from the email....look at the humboldt herald article on arkley being defended by orinda mayor.....the post was at 2:20 pm on september 22
 
So, then, what about the report in the T/S that Arkley had apologized THE NEXT DAY by e-mail?

That was reported earlier. I said he owed a public apology, because Glass is a public official.

The article does raise one curiosity however. Why hasn't Glass released the apology to the press? My assumption is that he probably didn't feel right about it assuming that it was a private communication. But now that Arkley's PR guy is clarifying, Glass should release it.

Sorry I've been absent from the thread all morning, but I was coaching my son's soccer team in a tough game in Fortuna. The other team had this blonde girl with piggy tails who was a bruiser!
 
Anonymous 1:34 said...

"Glass has said that he received an e-mail, but that it did not include an actual apology from Arkley for his actions. The e-mail did include a confidentiallity notice at the bottom, which Glass would have to breach in oder to distribute. As he noted in the article, distribution of the e-mail, whatever it contains, is up to Arkley as the sender."

Uh, someone sends you an e-mail, UNSOLICITED, and puts "confidential" on the bottom of it, (or something to that effect), and that effectively prevents you from disclosing that e-mail?

Total bull shit.
 
Glass has said that he received an e-mail, but that it did not include an actual apology from Arkley for his actions.

Well, now that Arkley's guy has said that it's up to Glass to release the e-mail, he ought to release it and we can debate whether it was inadequate.

My issue remains that he owed an apology to more than just Glass. This was a public event, and Glass is a public official.

But maybe the idea was that Glass would release it to the public and then it would become a public apology. Let's discuss it when it's released.
 
I'll bet Arkley sent it to Glass's public, city e-mail. If that is true, anyone can get with a simple Public Records request.
 
eric said,
"Sorry I've been absent from the thread all morning, but I was coaching my son's soccer team in a tough game in Fortuna. The other team had this blonde girl with piggy tails who was a bruiser!"

What team was your son playing against - Der Hitler Yugen?
I'll just bet your son is infatuated with this little Brunhilda already.
 
3:06 brought erics kids into this....now eric can threaten to destroy 3:06....lol...thats IF you follow arkleys logic...
 
Anonymous 3:06 - where do you get off writing a remark like that? You really should be ashamed of yourself!
 
WOW!

Eric really gets it!

The disclaimer is not one requiring the intended recipient to keep it confidential. Eric, read the 2:22 post at Heraldo's and read what Larry has cut and pasted there from the actual e-mail he received from Arkley THE NEXT DAY. I am sure you will agree with me that as the intended recipient he is free to copy and disseminate it wherever he wills.

And as you speculate, Arkley would have been a fool to imagine that Glass would keep it confidential. Interestingly, though, Glass later told the T/S that the reason he was prosecuting Arkley was that HE had not received an apology.

Not the public. But Glass had not received an apology.

But, indeed, he had.

Glass should come clean and publish the apology e-mail he received THE NEXT DAY.
 
On Friday, Septemer 7th, Glass said on KSLG that he had an apology faxed to him.

But then on Wednesday, September 12th - Glass said in the Time Standard ”I did give it a good 48 hours to wait and see if they would step up and take responsibility, and say sorry and we'll try and avoid this happening again. That would have been enough for me, but that didn't happen,” Glass said

Who is lying?
 
By the way, Eric, the apology e-mail was addressed not to Larry at home, nor at work, but at his City of Eureka official public e-mail address. So much for any expectation of privacy or confidentiality on the sender's part. We can reasonably assume that Mr. Arkley knows that when one sends an apologetic e-mail to a city councilman, it is not going to remain confidential.

Larry can deny it all he wants. The e-mail will speak for itself.
 
Actually, the initial report was that the apology was sent later that same evening.
 
“Good neighbors work together. Good neighbors do not operate unilaterally. Good neighbors go the extra mile to find common ground and consensus. Good neighbors compromise. Good neighbors recognize that the long-term relationship is paramount.”

Orinda Mayor Steven Glazer
 
this sounds like a set-up by arkleys minions.....they urge larry to release the email and then sue afterwords, saying it was a private message...watch
 
By the way, Eric, the apology e-mail was addressed not to Larry at home, nor at work, but at his City of Eureka official public e-mail address. So much for any expectation of privacy or confidentiality on the sender's part. We can reasonably assume that Mr. Arkley knows that when one sends an apologetic e-mail to a city councilman, it is not going to remain confidential.

Well, when I receive an e-mail - either work related or personal, or even related to this blog, I assume it's confidential until I clarify it with the sender.

But either way, Arkley's representative has said that it's "up to Glass" to release it. So Glass should feel free to release it.
 
Anon 3:18 - that might have worked before the current TS article. But Glazer has essentially given Glass permission to release it.

So let's see it.
 
yep. lets see it
 
So an email apology removes any guilt of a crime?
 
3:22: Let it go.

Larry Glass says it is all about a lack of an apology. He is the victim here. He framed the issue. Now let him his cred live or die on the timing and contents of the Arkley apology e-mail.

No share-y, no cred-y.
 
3:25, no. actually larry said that this issue is about threatening a PUBLIC OFFICIAL....nice try changing the subject...tell rob that hes losing this battle
 
Yeah, what did RA have to apologize for if nothing happened?

I hope Mr Anonspinmeister is getting overtime for working on a saturday. Probably not, he's more than likely an exempt employee.

Dude, go union, get OT on weekends!
 
I, like you, dear derchoadus, am a seeker of the truth. Any time, any place. The truth will set you free.

It may not do Larry Glass much good though.
 
Eric, you got it completely right. The biggest liability the Marina Center has is Arkley. Not just Rob either. This guy has squandered his own reputation countless times, and he wonders why there are anti-arkleyville stickers.
 
"The truth...may not do Larry Glass much good...."

Really? The problems with credibility lie with Mr. Arkley's team of spinners:

”Rob talked to Larry, and Rob asked Larry about how these no-Arkley stickers caused his daughters a hardship and asked Larry to apologize to his daughters...When Larry said no, Rob was really disappointed."
—Brian Morrissey
 
I think it said a lot when Cherie had to have a EPD escort to the City Council meeting when the Marina Center was first presented.
 
an escort? really?
 
Yep,an escort.Taxpayer funded.
 
So an email apology removes any guilt of a crime?

Could have some bearing on intent, particularly with regard to section 71.
 
She was sandwiched between 2 officers both coming and going.
 
Any PR person with a brain would not do what these amateurs are doing. Mr. Arkley should be advised to apologize immediately, blame the altercation on an alcohol problem, voluntarily back away from public appearances while doing rehab for a couple months then decide what the next move is. These guys are digging him a giant hole.
 
The PR guys are actually building a case for motive. I agree. Blame an alcohol problem, apologize publicly, ask for forgiveness. Show the judge you went to rehab, you'll never do it again... it was the alcohol talking. Right now Arkley seems to almost be daring society to place him in jail.
 
Arkly DID apologize. Now it's time for sleazeball Glass to do the right thing and apologize too. Then we can all relax and forget it.
 
What is it that Glass needs to apologize for? Representing his constituents and not caving to a bully?
 
No, Arkley needs to apologize *publicly*. Prison is not a place he wants to end up in. Right now he's walking that path. Either Glass is completely full of shit or Arkley is going to jail. Thats not a smart move. In fact I would venture to say that his PR people are incompetent if thats indeed the track they have set him on. Very irresponsible.
 
This is what happens when you put PR in front of everything else. You end up way deeper than you intended. Really he should be getting legal advice, then basing his PR off of that. Going on attack at this point only works against him. Not only that, but it discredits his daughter early on by making her partisan from the get go.
 
Most people think Arkley did exactly what Glass has alleged. The disagreement is over whether or not it was okay. The wheels of justice grind slowly; Arkley knows, so meanwhile he will bet his bottom dollar he can make the community believe him over Glass. It's all on the line for Arkley, because he has placed his honor on the line. Question is, do you believe him or Glass?
 
CPR can you list what Mr. Glass has done for this community?

Serving on the city council? It can't be that because we know there is a personal ($$) agenda there. You know the CREG, keep that Marina Center out because competition hurts Pierson's and the works. Other than renting an apartment so he could run for council what has he done? I'd like to know. I'd also like to know who all he took money from, for his campaign ?
 
I can't believe the guy is using his daughter as a shield for verbal and physical threatening. Very tacky.

Remember when John Mccain made a joke about Chelsea Clinton being ugly, way back in 1994? Bill in that situation should have let Mccain have it, but he didn't. If Arkleys daughter wants to blame someone for the publics perception of her family, why not start with her mother who did everything she could to be a public figure in Eureka. Or her father, who stumbles through life offending and harassing people who don't tow his line. Somehow it's Larry "The Sticker Guy's" fault? Hellloo!!
 
"I'd like to know. I'd also like to know who all he took money from, for his campaign ?"

Contact the FPPC,they'll have your info within a few days.

"Serving on the city council? It can't be that because we know there is a personal ($$) agenda there."

Or maybe because aprox.4,900 voters agreed with his outlook and voted him in to represent them.
 
For FUCK's sake, Konkler

You are fucking LUNATIC.

This thing is getting ZERO play beyond the blogosphere.

Six mile radius, eh?
Almost as good as the Afghani women would rather have the Taliban back instead of U.S. Troops
 
If someone acts in a way for which an apology is appropriate, then the responsibility for issuing such an apology belogs to the same person whose actions are in question.

Glass has no reponsibility to issue a public apology on behalf of Arkley. If, in fact, Arkley did apologize and if, in fact, he actually meant it, then it is his responsibility to make it public.

If he is not willing to publicly own up to his inappropriate actions, then whatever words his 'apology' contained are meaningless.

Whose responsibility is it to apologize? Presumably it is Arkleys
 
I am going to go out on a limb here and say "Bill Pierson was Larry's largest contributor."
 
Question is, do you believe him or Glass?

Well, he hasn't said anything yet. Not publicly anyway.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say "Bill Pierson was Larry's largest contributor."

Should be public record.
 
i didnt vote for larry last time...you can be sure that i will vote for him this time.....
 
ohhh heavy word there, 751.....four years out
 
Rob needs to hire someone who will tell him to shut the fuck up!
 
Glass's motives are highly questionable. The sticker campaign shows us a lot. Add to that his insensitivity towards a gentleman's family and you have something to think about. We'll just have to wait and see, but I personally think that Arkly will come out on top in this one and sleazebag will have to crawl back into his hole, looser that he is.
 
Does Arkley's Marina Center include any business competing with Larry Glass's business?
 
Ooops? Better check out the Super Happy Fun Blog.
 
Sorry Rose, Heraldo wears a bow tie and has dark hair.
 
Rose - as I posted on AnonRMouse's blog, I'm trying to figure out what it means. That somebody besides Larry Glass sent the text?

Seems like all somebody has to do is contact Glass for confirmation.
 
8:34
larry didnt create the stickers.....why do you feel the need to lie? how are you connected to this story?
 
Sleazeburger Glass is shattering to shreds before our very eyes.
 
What are you smoking 9:40? Let's see this go to court and then we'll all laugh at you. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
 
9:40
do you mean to say that larry glass is being "destroyed?...hmmmmmm....didnt someone recently threaten to destroy larry?.....oh yeah, it was that guy who hired a PI and a PR guy, thats right, i think his name is rob...
 
My guess is that Anon.R posted the disclaimer with the intention of making his Heraldo claim. Nick Bravo was always making wacky claims about Anon.R. shenanigans. Maybe he wasn't paranoid after all.

It wouldn't be hard to obtain the disclaimer. For a significant period of time, e-mails from the Eureka Reporter's editor also carried a lengthy ridiculous disclaimer. There are probably numerous people within Security National (I'm guessing) that have that disclaimer automatically appended to every e-mail they send.
 
That's a bit elaborate.
 
its a small world in humboldt.......the truth will come out......i can find out who heraldo is tommorow. ive just never really needed to know before, i guess the time has come. if its larry, it wont change anything with me. i still think that larry is a cool guy...
 
See, Eric - In blogger, once you are signed in, your name is automatically a live link. In wordpress, in order to BE a live link, you have to manually add the url to your site - or in this case, to hide it you would have to remove it. Big difference.

Once YOU sign in on Wordpress, cookies will make it so that each time you post, your name will be a live link. In order for Larry Glass to have heraldo's address as his live link, he would have had to have posted it there. But heraldo would have had to delete it after changing his name to Larry's - if that's what happened, then he forgot, hit send and didn't even think about it. It's not that complicated.

Anon.R may have cracked the code.
 
How exciting! Larry left the Humboldt Herald url in the comment form, adding to the great Humboldt blog mystery. Tongues are wagging.
 
If you're saying you think Larry is Heraldo, I seriously doubt it based upon e-mail discussions with Heraldo and an in-person discussion with Larry. I don't know who Heraldo is, but I do have a very good idea of who Heraldo isn't.

Somebody posted as Kevin Hoover awhile back, hyperlink and all. And then somebody else posted on my blog as "Les Scher," my partner, as a joke, and the hyperlink took me to the Garberville Chamber of Commerce, which suggests that at least on blogspot you can choose your hyperlink destination. It's possible that Larry didn't want to do a public profile on Blogger and so just linked to the blog he was posting on.

Anyway, it'll be cleared up on Monday, or as soon as I can reach him (Glass that is). I've intended to call him up. I'll ask him.
 
Hey Heraldo! Or should I say Larry? Heh.
 
Eric, your brain doesn't work that way, but trust me, it's not an elaborate ruse. It's very, very easy to conceive once you have your end result in mind. You didn't even understand the claim Anon.R was making at first.

This ruse also falls along the same category that Nick Bravo kept complaining about -- someone trying to make him look bad by faking user comments. That's only slightly easier to do than what this Larry Glass comment looks like.

Ultimately, this can all be answered by Larry. If he says he didn't post it, all my money is on Anon.R.
 
I have a good idea what happened. But the explanations provided by these intellectual giants is too amusing to interrupt.

Carry on.
 
I'm also confident Heraldo isn't Larry because I have my own Heraldo identity hypothesis. There are certain characteristics about his, well, I'll keep this vague and say his behavior, that mirror someone I know. I'm talking concrete things, not vague guessing like, "Oh, he uses that unusual word too!"
 
I'm pretty sure I know who Heraldo is, and it's not Larry. Larry doesn't know jack about computers. All you have to do is think of a local liberal who knows a couple things about computers. That narrows the list to about a dozen, and I bet you that Heraldo is one of them, I wont tell you who I think he is though.
 
All SN emails have the disclaimer added automatically ...or, at least those I have received.

Also, I also highly doubt Heraldo is Larry - they really sound nothing alike.
 
That explains "heraldo" removing my comment(s). Larry just forgot the url and that needed to be kept a secret. I understand now.
 
Heraldo knows much more about computers than he lets on. In fact I would say he knows far more than anon.r.mous. He has tried to obscure this fact, but it really is obvious if you pay attention.

Heres another hint. Our very own Heraldo is in part of a youtube video that takes place in Humboldt County, although he never intended to be in the video. In fact the video depicts him doing something very un-Heraldo (Or actually very Heraldo if you think of him as a censorship whore). And no he's not Bravo or any of those characters.

Ooops, I said waaayyy too much!!

But he's a very nice guy (Who is covering up a perceived deficit as a newbie to Humboldt County and Eureka).
 
this area needs alot more newbies.....the political scene here is dominated by good old boys/girls...
 
11:13

I think I know who you're talking about, and thats a very good guess. I wouldn't be surprised if that was him.
 
Well, I'm glad somebody does. Because I don't have any idea what you're talking about.

I'm starting to feel like that Travolta character in Welcome Back Kotter. "I'm so confused!!"

But I do know that Heraldo isn't Larry, nor is Larry Heraldo.
 
I'm about 98% sure, so Heraldo can keep his plausible deniability. People will only know who I am talking about if they know the progressive scene in Eureka pretty well. But Heraldo has no reason other than convenience to remain anonymous.
 
Some anon, sometime back, said "Almost as good as the Afghani women would rather have the Taliban back instead of U.S. Troops." Unfortunately, there are actually reasons for this, most of them having to do with everyday safety and law & order. As brutally oppressive as the Taliban were, they maintained a modicum of control over things such as the opium trade (which has increased 400-fold since the Taliban's fall).

Do you know what they call Karzai, the supposed president of Afghanistan? "The Mayor of Kabul." He has NO control over any other part of the country, where lawlessness pretty much rules. So if you're poor, illiterate, uneducated, and have known nothing but war your whole life (remember, it's been pretty much nonstop, waged by someone or other, since the Russian invasion of '79), who are you going to feel nostalgic for? The people under whose rule you did have some measure of safety and security, or the people who keep telling you about some fantasy, idyllic government that never comes to actually govern?

It's easy for us to judge, given our knowledge, education, and sophisticated world view. It's not so easy from the point of view of someone who has known nothing but war and hardship, and has a narrow concept of the world outside. And that's exactly what the Taliban and their ilk capitalize on.
 
There's no way Heraldo is David Cobb. Cobb is way way way too stupid.
 
"But I do know that Heraldo isn't Larry, nor is Larry Heraldo."

Well, we don't, Eric. Deception seems part and parcel of the normal Prog political attack m.o. You guys don't seem to understand the concept of transparency and why it is so important in a democracy. You Progressive deceivers abuse our political system.
 
Deception is what progressives do best? Bwhahahaha. Stephen has been sleeping since 911 and missed two stolen elections and so much more.
 
Deception is kind. The word debated most on blogs these days is treason.
 
Another clue: Heraldo always gets very very defensive about Kevin Hoover and about any mention of his position on police review. I think Heraldo lives in Arcata and has some sort of connection to the Eye.
 
Larry's not Heraldo - he doesn't have the time and can't type well enough.
 
1.larry has every right to have a blog.
2. larry has every right to use a pen name called "heraldo".
3. larry has every right as a CITY COUNCILMAN not to be threatened(see penal code)


why are right wingers so against everything that the constitution stands for? so ironic......abandon the constitition to defend a bully, how shallow can it get?
 
I really doubt that Larry is Heraldo.

1) Heraldo knows and writes about a lot of things in which Larry really has little knowledge or interest.

2) Heraldo has posted first-hand accounts from events at which I was present and Larry was not.

3) Larry'd have to be at his computer all day to post as often as Heraldo does. I've been in his store many times and have never seen him sitting at the computer. I doubt Larry is a blogger at all.

Besides, I have my own short list of possible Heraldos, and neither Larry nor David Cobb are even close to being on it.

I don't know enough about the tags and links stuff, but it seems much more likely that Heraldo may have received the disclaimer from Larry via e-mail (assuming he's not a blogging kind of guy), and then posted it under Larry's name. If that's the case, then that would still not be quite right, but it woud hardly be the major scandal that Rose and Anon.R would like it to be.
 
Carol & Greg's Place: Finally, a Glass/Arkley Poll
 
There is nothing wrong with Glass e-mailing Heraldo (or anyone) the disclaimer. The wingnuts here glossed over the fact that the disputed issue is release of what Arkley wrote, not the legal clause auto-appended to Arkley's e-mail.

If the wingnuts want to claim that Arkley personally types out that lengthy disclaimer every time he writes and e-mail, well, go right ahead. We'll all have a good laugh.
 
This is really getting funny!
 
Nah, that's all framing by Arkleyville. The real issues are:

A) Did Arkley threaten Glass? and

B) If he did, should he be prosecuted?

Arkley employs hundreds of people at wages higher than most local businesses pay. Those people and their friends and relatives know how bad this could get - they have watched Arkley shut down operations elsewhere and are scared. That's why they are defending Arkley and attacking Glass, because they are scared of losing their jobs.

Arkley wants this tried in public because he thinks he has bought the community "fair and square". It's sad to see so many co-dependent on this guy's trip.
 
How would they lose their jobs? That's easy - when Arkley fails to get out of this one he will have to blame the "socialists in California" and move to New Orleans, as he promised a New Orleans audience a year or so ago.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Eureka is better off without the Arkleys.
 
Larry didn't email me the disclaimer, although he could have since my email address is available on my blog. Larry posted the disclaimer on a comment thread where Arkley's email was being discussed.

The wordpress comment form asks for a name, email address and a website. None of these fields are required, but some people fill out some or all. Larry may have thought that he needed to enter my url for the comment to appear.
 
Or - lots of possible scenarios - H, you may not be Larry, and if you didn't try to post a comment as Larry, maybe Larry was on your computer, in which case Larry knows who you are. If that's the case, and Larry is as computer illiterate as some are tryig to say, then he would not have known to delete the url, thinking it was supposed to be there.

Either way, his protestations to the contrary, it then appears that Larry's anti-Arkley efforts have not diminished and are not limited to just being against the project, being part of team heraldo.

It's time to 'fess up, heraldo. You can clear this all up.
 
I'm sure Franco-Simmons will behind an effort to confiscate or hack into Larry's computers,one way or another.He likes doing that stuff,invading an Arkley enemy's privacy.
 
I don't think that is fair, Mark.
 
Robin Arkley is going to jail, and he's going to get BUTT RAPED by a large inmate.
 
Copy and save this statement of Heraldo and let's wait and see what develops, see if he's lying or not.

"Larry didn't email me the disclaimer, although he could have since my email address is available on my blog. Larry posted the disclaimer on a comment thread where Arkley's email was being discussed.

The wordpress comment form asks for a name, email address and a website. None of these fields are required, but some people fill out some or all. Larry may have thought that he needed to enter my url for the comment to appear."
 
Heraldo, here it is again where your false identity is creating unnecessary political confusion because you refuse to be honest with your community. If you are Larry Glass or are working with Larry Glass and are acting as if you and your blog are independent entities, then you are no different from Richard Salzman using his false identities to manipulate public opinion.

Time for transparency, Heraldo. Do the right thing for the community instead of the political agenda for a change.
 
Rose said,"I don't think that is fair, Mark."

I was a tad unfair there,but you can't deny that his personal involvement in the Salzman affair was a bit vindictive.
 
So this is where the party is at!
 
Stephen thinks letters to the editor influence public opinion. Dammit Steve. Everything you say is LOL funny.
 
Anonymous said...

Stephen thinks letters to the editor influence public opinion. Dammit Steve. Everything you say is LOL funny.

Sun Sep 23, 11:37:00 AM


They don't? So you guys won't have a shit fit if the Eureka Reporter or Times-Standard start printing letters to the editor in my name, your in your name written by me?

Thanks!
 
“I have never come out and taken a position against Mr. Arkley’s project because, as I have stated before, I don’t even know for sure what the project consists of,” Glass said.

Does he think anyone will believe this?
 
Anonymous said...

“I have never come out and taken a position against Mr. Arkley’s project because, as I have stated before, I don’t even know for sure what the project consists of,” Glass said.

Does he think anyone will believe this?

Sun Sep 23, 11:50:00 AM


Only if they are completely high as a kite. CREG aka Friends of Humboldt County INC, are all about shutting down the Ballon Tract for anything that will harm their local, small, underpaying, unbenfitted, businesses.

Humboldt County had a fairly high skilled, and very cheap labor pool. It's getting drained though as people are leaving. NCJ did a story awhile back where they "couldn't" find people to do the jobs, but it really turned out that the employers were paying so far below industry standards, that why take the job here, when you could go to a place with a cheaper cost of living and make more money. I mean look at these current job listings:

WEEKEND LABORERS Here is another great opportunity for students or people needing a second job. We are hiring a crew to specifically work on Saturday and Sunday, 8-10 hours per day in an agricultural setting. Pay is $7.50/hour and this is a long term assignment that should last through the end of the year if not longer.

FULL TIME DAIRY WORKER -irrigation pipes, fence cleaning, helping milk barns, must be available weekends. $9/hr, 40-50 hours per week & must have transportation.

Minimum wage jobs or just above minimum wage for having skills. While repairing fences and working a dairy farm might not be as skilled as being a lawyer, it is hard work, and worth more then $9 an hour.
 
What do the corporate retail jobs pay?

More retail outlets does nothing to increase the money in this county, just more places to spend it. I don't know what Pierson's and other local hardware stores pay compared to Home Depot, but they have a lot of long term employees with knowledge of the merchandise they are selling who own homes and support families on those wages. Saving a few pennies per item is great, but not worth our neighbors losing decent jobs.
 
Interesting post 12:12 with some good points, but you fail to see the obvious. Home Depot will make the salary situation even worse while exporting our dollars. That's bad for everyone all around.
 
Home Depot pays more then Piersons. That's pretty much a proven fact. The question is do you want to spend money at a store that charges more for the items, and pays less for the people working?

Let's say we have two employees, Employee X and Employee Y, they both make the same wage. Employer G charges more for items sold in store, while Employer W charges less. Is it better for you to have more money in your pocket, or is it better to have more money in Employer G's pocket?

Now let's say that Employer G not only charges more, but does the state minimums, while Employer W, who charges less, has health coverage, a 401k, and even paid time off.

Who is better, who would you work for? The pay is the same for the employee, but what is better in the long run?

Let's also look at it this way, Employer G is late making payroll, so the employee is late getting a pay check, and gets overdrawn on their bank account, employer W doesn't have this problem. Now sure, you can yell at your boss, and the employer can fire you, you can go to the labor board, and they can sue to get back missing wages, but there is lots of grief in just waiting for things to happen at the labor board.

Every company is going to have it's ups and downs, it's pros and cons, but let's be real here, spending more money at a "local" store for the most part isn't going to do much more then make the employer richer.

All CREG and FoHC want to do is control the wages and costs of items sold in Humboldt County. If I can order a book online for less then a book here in town, and have it shipped to me for less, why should I waste money supporting local companies?
 
Anonymous said...

Interesting post 12:12 with some good points, but you fail to see the obvious. Home Depot will make the salary situation even worse while exporting our dollars. That's bad for everyone all around.

Sun Sep 23, 01:21:00 PM


And please tell me how giving money to local companies is improving Humboldt County?

You'll be fooling yourself to think that paying more for items local is doing anything other then making some people richer. That's what scares the people, the lower prices will cause people who have been overcharging for products to figure out a better business plan, or fold.

Starbucks didn't drive the local coffee places out of business did they? Target hasn't caused anyone to fold. Bayshore Mall didn't cause Old Town to fold? Borders hasn't driven Northtown Books out of business has it?

It's smoke and mirrors and greed. Saying CREG is a front for local businesses to scare people back to their stores and away from cheaper prices. And let's not forget that by lowering the wages, it's good for them too.

And people wonder why the suicide rate is so high in Humboldt County.
 
Sorry AnonRmous, you stating that Home Depot pays more than Pierson's doesn't make it a proven fact. The rest of your theoretical b.s. is just that.
 
Nobody is going to touch Mr. Arkleys delicate ass!
 
Anonymous said...

Sorry AnonRmous, you stating that Home Depot pays more than Pierson's doesn't make it a proven fact. The rest of your theoretical b.s. is just that.

Sun Sep 23, 01:54:00 PM


Payscale here

Theory Vs Fact.

Anon.R.Mous 1 Anonymous 0
 
For a big box, Home Depot is actually one of the better outfits in terms of hourly wage. This is not new information.
 
"Theory Vs Fact.

Anon.R.Mous 1 Anonymous 0"


That only shows the wages for Home Depot-

How do you know the wages for Pierson's?


Where's the facts, buddy?
 
If Mr. Arkley ends up going to prison he should consider getting a tattoo of his name across his back. That way when he’s bent over, Bubba can just look down to get his name. It’s a good way to make friends!
 
Oh I'll let you prove me wrong by posting Pierson's Building Center wages.
 
Who has Pierson's wages? You seem to claim that you do- If so, please let us know
 
anonRmousy,
you DID claim that home depot pays better than piersons.....its up to YOU to provide your info now...
 
And while your at it Anon R, can you please explain how could you possibly blame Glass in this one?

Because he is pressing charges? And because he should have just kept his mouth shut?

Do you think he is lying?

I just don’t understand everyone attacking him- makes no sense whatsoever
 
anon.r.mous makes an ass of himself once again.
 
I think he is lying
 
anonRmousy thinks politics is a team sport.......so he jumps to take sides at any sory of conflicting opinion instead of making an informed decision for himself.....its sad really
 
I would trust Larry over Robin any day of the week. Look at the types of businesses each man owns!
 
Recall Larry Glass and put HIM in prison! He will wish he never made up stories about the Arkleys!
 
Nice run of shit posts you have there.

Anyway, last time I checked, the wage at Pierson's was almost 4 dollars less then home depot (avg)

For your other questions, I haven't talked about that, nor do I really care to discuss my feelings on those issues.
 
4 dollars less in every department, or as an overall average?

Where do you get your info?
 
the only issue here is about a person threatening a CITY COUNCILMAN!!!!!!.....and how do you "check" the wages at piersons? that makes no sense
 
"Rob still hasn't responded for himself and is hiding behind his daughters. Pathetic."

Not quite as pathetic as Heraldo hiding behind his anonymous blog.

Heraldo – a sad, gutless, useless, weak, cheap, worthless whore.

Just another poor jealous Regressive.
 
Collateral issues? It seems that everybody apparently is really out of focus on this one. What the hell does an apology have to do with this situation. Arkley committed an assault on Glass. What caused it is irrelevent. All an assault needs is physical contact. Something beyond words.
An intentional or offensive
touching of another without
lawful justification.
That is the definition. Three elements, intentional, offensive, no lawful justification.

Daughter, bumperstickers, apologies, the weather, drunkeness, etc, etc, etc, are just a dance around the issue. Witnesses said they saw it, others present are afraid to speak up. Sgt.Schultz was in the room in a big way - "I see nothing, hear nothing, know nothing."
 
Wow! This thread is getting long. Should I bother to try to catch up?
 
3:20 is a puppy dog scampering away with his tail between his legs. What, Heraldo wrong you in the past? Wowwee, you're a piece of cake.
 
I think you Prog SHARCs are going to find that very few people outside of a small hard-core Prog SHARC gang gives a fig about Larry Glass's publicity stunt trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill that in any other California town not supporting Prog activists and their necessary population of naive student minds to manipulate, wouldn't raise an eyebrow. If guns were drawn that might be something else, but heck, Arkley didn't even deck Larry, so where's the fun in that?
 
Ooh, defending the indefensible. I didn't peg Stephen as a member of the blame-the-victim crowd.
 
Try reading Stephen's stuff out loud.
 
Holy Shit Stephen, run on sentence! But what they heck, what do you expect from a filthy mouth mongoloid who is off his meds?
 
Stephen definitely enjoys his drinks
 
and his paycheck from the arkleys
 
Hey! Mouseover my name! Now I'm Heraldo!

BTW, Rose did not write this. Just trying to show what BS that whole thing is.
 
And now Stephen is Heraldo!

This is fun! Anyone can be Heraldo!
 
Sorry Stephen, I doubt Heraldo would turn out to be okie trailer trash.
 
Uh oh! Looks like Dick Cheney has been using Heraldo's computer!
 
rose is heraldo?
 
More mouseover trouble! Maybe Heraldo is really George Bush!
 
Okay, enough fun. The posts above were not really by Rose, Stephen, Dick Cheney or Heraldo. That was just me trying to make the point that anyone can be anyone here. Mouseover the names and you'll see that everyone is Heraldo except Heraldo, whose tag links to the Whitehouse.

This is all meaningless. Rose, you and Anon.r.mous have wasted a lot of people's time with this latest conspiracy theory.

And, no, I'm not Heraldo. Or Larry Glass, for that matter.
 
Rose is the biggest joke on the net right now. If she thinks she represents mainstream Republicans in the Arkley assault she is sadly mistaken.
 
Different blogging systems people. But go back and read my main page, it covers that already.

If you children can read that is.
 
Fuckin a 7:59.....

That's why you took so much of your precious time to, ummmmmm....debunk, yeah, thats it... debunk everything....

LMAO

rats on a sinking ship
 
Forget Heraldo, who is HumboldtLib???????

My guess is its a special ed student given internet access...
 
It works the same with either blogging system though Anon.R.Mouse. Actually, on Heraldo's system you can put a different link in your name with every comment. It's just what you C&P or type in.
 
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Please, whatever your level of frustration, please post more than just raw insults. At least blend them in with some argument, and some substance.
 
I did it there too, Anon.r.mous:
Rose is Heraldo.

Your theory is shot to hell. But thanks for the fun diversion!
 
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hey, that's a raw insult!
 
It has some substance though. Stephen is a homonid, I believe.
 
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