Friday, September 07, 2007

 

Big brawl at seedy Eureka establishment!

Okay, not quite. But apparently there was some sort of shoving incident between Rob Arkley and Eureka City Councilman Larry Glass at a Coastal Commission reception at the Avalon. According to Glass, who notified the police of the incident, a discussion about Glass' anti-Arkley sticker campaign of last year and its impact on Arkley's daughters culminated in Arkley shoving Glass. Brian Morrissey, Arkley's lieutenant, denies it got physical, but did indicate that Arkley had sent Glass an apology. It's not clear just for what the apology was made.

According to Glass, Arkley also repeatedly called him a "liar" and threatened to destroy Glass' business if he didn't vote for "his project" (presumably the Balloon Track proposal).

Apparently, nobody wants to fess up as to whether they witnessed the event. From the Times Standard:
Of a dozen people who were at the reception and contacted by the Times-Standard, most said they did not witness any exchange, left early or were not near Arkley or Glass. One said he did see an exchange, but did not want to go on the record.
Rex Bohn says he missed it. How big is the Avalon anyway? (Addendum: according to a couple of posts herein, Bohn was outside when it happened, along with the Chief of Police. So was anybody inside besides Glass, Arkley, and Gans?)

Gosh though. Down here in wimpy-assed Sohum when public figures on the opposite sides of issues chance meet in public - they buy each other things. Toughen up guys!

Heraldo has some links, including a KHUM interview with Glass, and 132 comments as of this writing.

ER has some coverage as well.

Anon-R-Mouse thinks it was no big deal.

Greg and Carol have a poll up asking whether Glass should press charges. Carol is discussing the matter on Thank Jah as I'm typing this. According to the ER, Glass has no intention of pressing charges.

Addendum: Looks like the TS has removed the comments function on its article.

Second Addendum: CPR says that Arkley has checked into the Betty Ford Clinic. There's no link. I'm assuming it's satire.

Comments:
Third grade bullies grow up to be big bullies. Problem is, bullying a public official is a felony.
 
Heraldo has been engaging in the most odious form of censorship on his blog regarding the Glass/Arkley crime. Evidently its not ok for a citizen to shove an elected official -- but when an elected official like Arcata mayor Bob Ornelas physically assaults a critic at a Council meeting, the local lefties give him a free pass. If Arkley is prosecuted, then so should Ornelas. Of course these holier-than-thou lefties like Mike Wilson have no consistent ethics in this regard.
 
Anon 9:11 - so do you believe that Arkley should be prosecuted?
 
Talk about biased reporting.

Wendy Butler does the following:

"Attack" becomes "confrontation"

"Attack" becomes "altercation"

"Strong emotions that were exhibited by both parties" attempts to shift the blame.

Oh the power of words.

Finally Gans is not above lying to defend the honor of his boss when he says "I can assure you this was only a verbal discussion".

Spin. Spin. Spin.

Disgusting.
 
Give the reporters a break. There are conflicting accounts and it sounds like the neutral witnesses aren't talking. A reporter is bound to use neutral language when she doesn't have direct knowledge of the facts herself.
 
"Evidently its not ok for a citizen to shove an elected official -- but when an elected official like Arcata mayor Bob Ornelas physically assaults a critic at a Council meeting, the local lefties give him a free pass. If Arkley is prosecuted, then so should Ornelas. Of course these holier-than-thou lefties like Mike Wilson have no consistent ethics in this regard."

Any reason you decided not to file any charges?How can the lefties give a free pass on something that you never went public about?And if he is prosecuted ,it's because someone filed the charge,so then you should do likewise.
 
Oh and Eric,apparently Rex was outside talking to the police chief when Larry when the incident happened.Larry said he went right outside after and saw them talking together.
 
Rex and the Police Chief were outside manning the BBQ, so they did not witness it.

Larry saw Arkley coming, so he braced himself, otherwise he would have been knocked down.
 
Heraldo has been engaging in the most odious form of censorship on his blog regarding the Glass/Arkley crime. Evidently its not ok for a citizen to shove an elected official -- but when an elected official like Arcata mayor Bob Ornelas physically assaults a critic at a Council meeting, the local lefties give him a free pass.

Your comment is still htere, 9:11. Learn to use your search function.
 
Larry is a Glasshole.
 
Well anon 12:42 - with the exception of one self-identified conservative poster at Heraldo's who says she's appalled at Arkley's actions, I'm not seeing much better coming from your side. We're getting "Ornelas did it too so neener, neener," but not much else. At least your response is shorter.
 
This is how I see it.

1) Glass is a politician and should quit playing like pollyana. This stuff happens all and I think he is blowing it out of proportion because he likes the drama of it. If he really is so shocked he should get another job that is less shocking to his system.

2) Arkley should never have let Glass know what was on his mind. Really dumb.

3) There is no crime here...Carol and Greg you are out of touch with reality if you think that this is either important for any reason OR that a jury would ever render a verdict on this. I mean you are totally out to lunch on this one.

4) Everyone needs to grow up...this includes the 2 allegedly involved in the so called “incident” as well as the Heraldos (used in the plural since there are a few of them) and the Conners and everyone else that obviously needs to get a life.

I am with you on some things Eric and against you on others - but I think we agree a lot about this one.
 
Well, I don't agree that it's minor. As a matter of law and right, we aren't entitled to so much as touch each other without consent, and for good reason.

I just don't think anything would be gained by pressing criminal charges. Arkley already knows he messed up. It's going to cost him some political capital. Glass reported it to the police and to the media to emphasize the seriousness of the incident. Mission accomplished.
 
As I am writing this I do happen to be out to lunch. I believe Larry's account and he has said there were several witnesses, so I take it his story will be corroborated. It may not work out that way, but Carol spoke with him on the phone yesterday and we heard him on the radio, and we believe he is telling the truth.

Mostly, we are all spectators.
 
We can all have our opinions, but Larry Glass will make up his own mind.
 
Eric - you said:

"Well, I don't agree that it's minor. As a matter of law and right, we aren't entitled to so much as touch each other without consent, and for good reason."

wake up and smell the coffee. its not you or any rule of law...its what a jury will think. They will be pissed off that anyone would waste their time and their money (especially the ones that don't get paid for jury duty) and they will take it out on the party who forced the issue.

Come down off of your self imposed pedestal and back into the real world of real people with real problems.

this one is chickenshit and isn't worth anyone's time.
 
I believe Larry's account as well. I have no reason to disbelieve it, and I think he's an honorable guy. Plus, I don't think he's stupid enough to conjure something up which would be refuted by scores of witnesses.

And in fact, I have no problem with how he's handling the situation.
 
wake up and smell the coffee. its not you or any rule of law...its what a jury will think. They will be pissed off that anyone would waste their time and their money (especially the ones that don't get paid for jury duty) and they will take it out on the party who forced the issue.

In a civil case, they could find the elements of battery and give Larry a dollar. That's happened. In a criminal case, they would be bound by the jury instructions. The jury would be limited to deciding whether there was harmful or offensive contact, whether it was intentional, and whether there was consent.

But hey, as usual I'm getting it from both sides. Always a good barometer from my point of view.
 
This is what passes for "Progressive" politics, two capitalists exploiters in a shoving match. No wonder nothing changes for the better around here with such nincompoop media circus antics on display.
 
Yeah, not like Reggae or freekin' Zion.
 
Even if Councilman Glass wants to prosecute it will NEVER happen. Get a grip. Get a life. Get over it and grow up.
 
California Penal Code Section 71

Every person who, with intent to cause, attempts to cause, or causes, any officer or employee of any public or private educational institution or any public officer or employee to do, or refrain from doing, any act in the performance of his duties, by means of a threat, directly communicated to such person, to inflict an unlawful injury upon any person or property, and it reasonably appears to the recipient of the threat that such threat could be carried out, is guilty of a public offense punishable as follows:

(1) Upon a first conviction, such person is punishable by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by imprisonment in the state prison, or in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

(2) If such person has been previously convicted of a violation of this section, such previous conviction shall be charged in the accusatory pleading, and if such previous conviction is found to be true by the jury, upon a jury trial, or by the court, upon a court trial, or is admitted by the defendant, he is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison.

As used in this section, “directly communicated” includes, but is not limited to, a communication to the recipient of the threat by telephone, telegraph, or letter.
 
Why can't two grown men settle their differences in an acceptable way - like who can move whose foot the farthest in adjacent bathroom stalls.
 
Who the farook gives a shit? Only Progs with nothing else to do but look for ways to media circus stars. I challenged Richard Salzman to take a swing at me one time outside the Eureka Co-op but of course he couldn't do it without blowing his then image of big-shot political manipulator.

When Arkley and Glass challenge each other to a duel at dawn with sabers then I'll stop reading the newspaper comic section for a minute or two and pay attention to our own town doodles.
 
Eric

By saying you believe Larry, you are inferring that Brian and Randy are liars.
 
My understanding is that Brian wasn't there. I wasn't there either.

People can perceive events differently, although if Randy really did have to restrain Arkley that is a huge difference in accounts.

There's a third possibility, namely that Wendy Butler didn't get Randy's statement right.

In any case, I'm not calling anybody a liar. I just don't believe Larry would lie about something like this.
 
as a neighbor of larrys in north eka he rests his head a lot out here be careful what you say about him lying 2 street is nit his primary residence
 
Avalon is all windows, so even if your outside you can see everything inside.
 
I just don't believe Larry would lie about something like this.

Me neither. But I bet Randy Gans would.
 
"Avalon is all windows, so even if your outside you can see everything inside."

The curtians were drawn. And if you weren't looking in that direction you would not have noticed.
 
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Okay, that was dumb. Basically, I wasn't there, so I'm not calling anybody a liar.
 
even i remember mayor bob ornelas and his rude shoving ways. what else is new, if a crime is done by a lefty they get a free pass, if a crime is done by arkley they get hammered. no justice from the humboldt left!
 
Just because Bob Ornelas was never prosecuted for his assault doesn't mean Rob Arkley should get away with the same. Besides, Arkley has a lot more money to drain out of his fat ass.
 
Eric said:

"In a criminal case, they would be bound by the jury instructions. The jury would be limited to deciding whether there was harmful or offensive contact, whether it was intentional, and whether there was consent."

Are you for real...Take of the cap to your hermetically sealed jar and come out into the real world. You have lived too long in Sohum and have lost touch with reality.

You may be a lawyer and may do civil trials, but you do not do much criminal and are dead wrong on this one.
 
How so?
 
Wow!

"How so"..really?

Jurors will do what is right and not what you tell them too.

You haven't been on a criminal jury ever have you?

I know your practice is predominantly civil, but this is really what you are expected to know to do misdemeanors. Actually, especially misdemeanors.
 
Jurors will do what is right and not what you tell them too.

I've actually developed a great respect for the jury's ability to set aside personal feelings and focus on the evidence and the law. I can only think of one jury I've dealt with which may have disregarded the instructions for what they felt was "right." All of the others have decided on the facts as they applied the law, sometimes kicking and screaming, such as some jurors wanting to discuss how much money the plaintiff would get in a civil suit before agreeing to the liability question itself. One juror was being stubborn about that because he didn't want to agree if the others were giving him too much money. The brought it to the judge, and after a stern talking to the juror fell in line.

The instructions set out a process. You decide one element at a time based upon the guidelines of the law. I have been very impressed with jurors on that score, even when I've come up on the losing side of their decision.
 
Who gives a crap about the pushing?It's the paying someone to follow him and the threats that were made that makes this a larger issue.I don't believe that Larry lied about that,if it did,maybe Arkley should press charges on Larry for defaming him.
 
Yes, the real issue here is that Arkley threatened a public official with retaliation if he did not vote for his project. That kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable in a democracy, and should be dealt with harshly.

Oh attorney Kirk, is Penal Code Section 71 (cited above) something which can be pursued by any third party, or only by the individual who was threatened?
 
An interesting question. I would assume the AG would have the right, but doubt that every citizen has standing. That would raise some profound due process questions.
 
If no comments appear on the T-S website, then refresh the page. Then they ususally appear.
 
"By saying you believe Larry, you are inferring that Brian and Randy are liars."

This would be an easy inference to make, with a statement like this coming from Mr, Morrissey:

”Rob talked to Larry, and Rob asked Larry...to apologize to his daughters...when Larry said no, Rob was really disappointed.”
 
Anonymous said...

Heraldo has been engaging in the most odious form of censorship on his blog regarding the Glass/Arkley crime. Evidently its not ok for a citizen to shove an elected official -- but when an elected official like Arcata mayor Bob Ornelas physically assaults a critic at a Council meeting, the local lefties give him a free pass. If Arkley is prosecuted, then so should Ornelas. Of course these holier-than-thou lefties like Mike Wilson have no consistent ethics in this regard.

Fri Sep 07, 09:11:00 AM


Heraldo also censored reports of the incident at a candidate forum in Arcata where Eye editor Kevin Hoover stomped on another reporters' foot right in front of one of the candidates. There's no sense of consistent moral outrage from these people. Only hypocrisy.
 
Why doesn't Anonymous share his "consistent moral outrage" on his own blog?
 
Heraldo also censored reports of the incident at a candidate forum in Arcata where Eye editor Kevin Hoover stomped on another reporters' foot right in front of one of the candidates.

I recall no such comment. But perhaps I'll delete anything similar in the future in order to preserve the integrity of anonymous.
 
"the incident at a candidate forum in Arcata where Eye editor Kevin Hoover stomped on another reporters' foot right in front of one of the candidates."

Well if the papers are failing to cover it,I'd contact Charles Douglas over at the Humboldt Sentinel,so he can do a report on it,and get it out to the public.
 
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