Sunday, September 30, 2007

 

Clif Clendenen vs. Roger Rodoni

Heraldo has the details. I can't think of a candidate who has a better chance against Rodoni. He takes 1/3 of the Fortuna votes and he's our Second District Supervisor.

So gee. What's Clendenen's position on marijuana legalization?

Then let's hear about his views on local development?

Comments:
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No matter what his position on Marijuana, I believe Clif would be a better supervisor than Roger.
 
How you like them apples?
 
An apple a day...
 
Clif has core values and lots of a-peel, but what about Estell Fennell? Isn't she running, too?
 
OH - Clendenen spells Cliff with one F - Clif.
 
And the other candidate spells her first name with 3 Es: Estelle.
 
Who gives a shit what his opinion on marijuana is Eric...unless of course you have a single agenda.
 
Which side cider you on?
 
Who gives a shit what his opinion on marijuana is Eric...unless of course you have a single agenda.

I was being facetious. Dude.
 
"Which cider you on?"

I think we have a winner.
 
I wonder if Clif uses an iMacintosh?
 
He does, actually! I've seen it! One of the old ones with the Day-Glo colors.
 
Oh, boy, if Clenenden gets the support of Progs which any candidate opposing Roger or Palco's plans for its Fortuna site, Clenenden will lose the majority support of Fortuna, Scotia, Rio Dell, and Carlotta.

You Progs have no idea how much you are disliked by the majority of Fortuna citizens.
 
Times are changing Stephen. And so are the demographics of Fortuna.
 
Yeah, Eric, just like Israel has changed America's opinion of Israel's enemies. Yes, the times they are a-changing but they ain't changing in your direction. Progs have blown any political capital they had by their attachment to slimeball politics of character assassination. Karma won't be ignored and Prog karma is bad in Fortuna--too many political attacks on prominent people in the area, too many people knowing Progs stand for economic retrogression and more poverty, who wants that? Even the new latino influx are not going for Prog stagnation policies, they want jobs.
 
Stephen, you have no idea how much you are disliked by the majority of Humboldt County citizens.

Okay, I know that's a personal attack, but I get SO F#&@ING TIRED of your constant BS! It would be one thing if you had coherent, researched, fact-based arguments, but all you offer is divisive name-calling and culture war. You are the chief proponent and practitioner of the very thing you claim to oppose.

Stephen, you may be capable of posting an intelligent argument, but I've yet to see it.
 
Stephen - you do realize that Gallegos took the Second District last year?
 
"You Progs have no idea how much you are disliked by the majority of Fortuna citizens."

Thus speaks the expert in the matter of popularity, our own Stephen Lewis!
 
Hey - I am on the side of anyone running to get rid of the dope growing criminals here in Humboldt.
 
Eric - the second district didn't turn out last election. I agree - the progs will hurt any candidate in Fortuna.
 
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11:30 - go smoke some more of your dope and mellow out.
 
Gallegos won a lot of people's vote who will never vote for him again. Richard Salzman, Ken Miller, now Larry Glass, these people saw and see what happens when you put Progs in office.

With a Prog candidate you get guaranteed dirty campaigns, you get character assassination and political attacks on Republicans, you get opposition to any economic development that helps everyone and not just boutique owners or even apple and cider vendors. And you think Progs can sell this to the northend of the 2nd District?

You guys are constantly smear happy. You think smearing your opponents actually does something for your cause when all it does is show up the lack of any sensible economic or political plans for helping Humboldt citizens, all of them, not just HSU students, pot growers, and petite bourgeoisie capitalists.
 
I believe you were saying the very same thing last election Stephen. What have the voters learned in the last year and three months that they didn't know before?
 
Who got elected mayor of Fortuna, Eric?

But don't believe me, go ahead and try throwing Prog support into any 2nd District candidate and see what happens.
 
Well, he wouldn't get elected mayor of Fortuna. But that's not what he's running for.
 
45% of Fortuna voters voted for Kerry in 2004.
 
Xarol-45% of the people in Fortuna voted correctly.
 
Progs are very vocal narcissistic people who think they're always right so they actually believe they are politically stronger than they ever really are. Especially in the 2nd District. It started with Ed Denson when he ran for supervisor and had all the Prog activists on board seemingly to sew up SoHum but then Roy Heider taps the Fortuna end of the voters and that's all she wrote for Ed and crew.

Same thing again with Prog support of Steinberg. All Prog supporters on board and he fizzles out in the north end of the district.

Political narcissism just doesn't win elections and Progs are always big on their own self-worth but devoid of plans for helping the basic needs of mainstream voters.
 
Well, there are about 11 thousand residents in Fortuna. I don't know how many of them vote. There are about 10 thousand residents of Sohum defined by the hospital district, knock a thousand off for the Mendo and Trinity residents in the district. There are I think about 2 or 3 thousand in Rio Dell/Scotia.

I forget where everybody else is, but I think the second district has between 25 and 30 thousand residents.

If Clenenden matches Kerry's votes in Fortuna, Rodoni won't have a chance. I think if he can secure a third, he's in good running. It's all about turnout of constituencies of course, and getting sohum progressives excited about elections is a chore.
 
My advice is for Progs to stay as far away from any 2nd District candidate as possible if they want their candidate to win. If you don't a repeat of Steinberg's loss, keep your Prog pols and their one-trick pony show of smearing the opposition candidate's reputation way out of sight.
 
Good advice Stephen. That must be what Gallegos did.
 
I forget where everybody else is, but I think the second district has between 25 and 30 thousand residents.

If so I believe it has gone up since I last checked, (which was 1992). At that time the Fortuna-Carlotta-Rio Dell-Scotia area was quite a bit more populated than SoHum and I'd be surprised if the ratio of Northern 2nd dist town dwellers to SoHummers has changed much. The lesson then was that you've got to do well in the North (like 30-40%) to add to overwhelmingly well in SoHum to have a chance. I believe in 1992 there were under 10,000 votes cast in the first round, and the winner had something like 2400 (Heider). Naturally that was then, and ..... but still I'll bet that the winning formula for anyone popular in SoHum is still the same: Very Strong SoHum and strong 2nd in the north.
 
Eric - just followed your link to Heraldo and read the comments on Clif Clenenden's candidicy (sp?). Two things. Lots about Estelle runnning - but a Google search turns up 8 pages of Estelle, all in connection with KMUD, and no mention of her running.
Second thing: Much better comments there than here. Why is that? Is his moderated?
 
Estelle has been putting out feelers, but has not to my knowledge decided to run. Other names which have been tossed around are Jim Lamport and a union guy up in Rio Dell - can't remember the name. But Clenenden is the first to commit.

As to the quality of the comments, well, Heraldo is not moderated. I don't really have an explanation except that the tone is sometimes set by the first few comments. And unfortunately I'm haunted by a particular presence which sometimes drives off intelligent discussion.
 
So, Stephen: Does it matter that Kaitlin is running Clif's campaign?
 
Erik, you must be referring to all of those regressive progs with their dirty slimeball politics of character assassination and political smear tactics and opposition to any jobs and economic development instead of just pot growers, HSU students and and petite bourgeoisie capitalists living on their homesteads that are the real threat to Humboldt County's watersheds because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them when they should support my Heartlands project because it is the only way to get the PL land back into a communitarian environmenatlist lottery dog park with the ancestral homeland of the Bear River Tribe that me and Sparky came up with one night when we were really high and wrote it on the back of a Domino's Pizza box but we couldn't read it in the morning and the Tribal Council was bought off by Paul Gallegos and Michael Jacinto when they wouldn't give me their air miles to fly to Jersualem to hold aloft my magic sword and say "By the power of Greyskull I am He-Man" and Sparky became Battle Cat and Rose became She-Ra and my doctor started giving me tic-tacs in my medicine bottle so that he could pocket my lithium and sell it to Ken Miller because of all of those regressive progs with their dirty slimeball politics of character assassination and political smear tactics and...
 
and...

... and screw slimy Regressive "Zionists" who want to destroy the dream of Solar Rail!
 
Awww. Stephen doesn't do run-ons that bad!
 
You've got to be kidding. Kaitlin running Clif's campaign? Say it isn't so.
 
Then he's dead meat already.
 
We shall see.
 
Eric, you are so out of touch with our end of the district. Do you have any idea what happens when you mention "Arcata" in Fortuna? Why your lucky if you don't get tarred and feathered and run out of town. If Clendenden's really chosen Kaitlin as a campaign manager he be right there telling Fortunan's he's an idiot.
 
"So, Stephen: Does it matter that Kaitlin is running Clif's campaign?"

I'll call Kaitlin tomorrow to see if there's any truth to this.That comment could have been used as a way to just slander her for no reason,and Stephen jumps at that opportunity whenever possible when it comes to someone who sees things differently than he does.
 
Do you have any idea what happens when you mention "Arcata" in Fortuna? Why your lucky if you don't get tarred and feathered and run out of town.

Except that the city hired Alex Stillman and Steve Hackett to work on its general plan.

So: Real solid thesis you got going there, Steve.
 
If Kaitlin Sopoci-Belknap and Loser Solutions is running Clif's campaign, he is guaranteed to lose. He might be a nice guy with good positions, but none of that will overcome such a glaring lapse in judgment. Loser Solutions lost 4 out of 5 seats it tried to manipulate in 2006, and folks like Glass (the only successful one) and Kuhnel (the next highest % getter who barely lost) publicly distanced themselves from Loco Solutions and the rest of Cobb's losers and wouldn't let them run their campaign.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the funniest part. The vision of Kaitlin running around Fortuna with that uber-arrogant attitude preaching about evil corporations. That will go over SO well there.
 
a winner! Yikes Hanky Panky, I am soooooooooo sstoked!! LOL -wahts my prize? a free copy of Teh Juornal?
oxo
S
 
There's a sure fire way to piss away some public money: hire Arcata bureaucrats to further obfuscate an already confusing process. Maybe Hackett can overpay himself to the tune of $20,000.00 like he did back in Alamosa.
 
Local Solutions didn't participate in the 2006 elections.
 
Loser Solutions lost 4 out of 5 seats it tried to manipulate in 2006, and folks like Glass (the only successful one) and Kuhnel (the next highest % getter who barely lost) publicly distanced themselves from Loco Solutions and the rest of Cobb's losers and wouldn't let them run their campaign.

Patently false. Neither Local Solutions nor Cobb was involved in any of those campaigns. That was part of the problem.
 
11:33, you're talking about the wrong Hackett. That's Michael Hackett, not Steve Hackett.
 
Saw an article on Clif. He favors preserving ag land, sustainable forestry, and small government. I'm not sure if there's not an oxymoron in this somewhere. Nothing about marijuana. Questions:

1. Marijuana?
2. What does he mean by "sustainable forestry"?
3. How preserve ag land w/o restricting housing?
4. How to have small goverment while regulating ag land and forestry more than at present.
5. Marijuana?
 
Thank you Ed. Will someone please tell us Clif's positions on these subjects and rise above the idiots?
 
"Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the funniest part. The vision of Kaitlin running around Fortuna with that uber-arrogant attitude preaching about evil corporations. That will go over SO well there."

Your memory loss has enabled you to forget about Measure T,where supporters indeed did hit Fortuna.
 
Gee, all these experts on Fortuna who don't live there and obviously don't have a clue how politically dumb it would be for any Fortuna candidate for office to associate themselves with Progressive pols from Arcata.
 
And Fortuna will be so much better off in comparison to local,more progressive cities.
It's the inevitable results of the proposed Fortuna general plan which will bring more Richard Salzman's to Fortuna.It would be funny if Kaitlin was running his campaign,since that's what he may be fearing most,the loss of Fortuna's ambiance and the destruction of conservative run small businesses,replaced by new to the area lefties who will alter the cities political structure.
 
A progressive win in the Second District would be a nightmare for you Stephen. You'd lose your whole schtick. I wonder if you aren't hedging your bets here, hoping that if Clendenden wins you can convince everybody that it wasn't really a progressive win after all.
 
Mark: You were going to call Kaitlin and ask. Is she or isn't she?
 
I just confirmed that the rumor is not true.
 
Eric, a Progressive win would be a nightmare for the vast majority of 2nd District citizens. Luckily, it ain't going to happen as no 2nd District candidate in their right mind would purposely associate themselves with the Prog political machine unless they are Progs narcissists to begin with like you all and actually believe Prog hype and Prog prognosis of political clout they don't have in my neck of the woods that control the voting outcome of the 2nd District.
 
That's good news for Clif in nearly every way, Mark. Thanks for laying that nightmare scenario at rest. I just hope Clif keeps Loco Solutions at arms length throughout the election.
 
Mark, you truly are out there. A prog doesn’t have a chance in Fortuna. I remember in the mid-1990's when the tree huggers started protesting. One true idiot chained himself to CDF’s door to get attention and threw away the key. Guess what the police department did. They went home and said that the lone locked man could deal with the constituents of Fortuna (it was Friday night.) Guess the light dawned on the dope and someone found him a key so he would not be alone, abandoned by the cops while locked to CDF on Friday night with a lot of drunken cowboys.
I live in Fortuna, and wear the boots to kick your sorry ass Mr. Konkler. Go smoke your medicine with the other unwashed in Arcata.
 
You're right,not yet anyways,but if the general plan rolls through as is,you'll see changes.
I'd rather stay here in Eureka,with the unwashed.
 
Good Mark, stay with the unwashed. I will stay with the washed, moral and hard working fortuna folks.
 
Gentlemen,
How about a discussion of the issues of the campaign that will matter to most of the good folks of not just the second district but the whole county? Will there be any difference, do you suppose, in what type of supervisor Mr. Clendenen will be versus how Mr. Rodoni has served us?
 
Frankly, 9:35 my first inclination is to tell you to butt out of the 2d district’s politics if you don’t vote there. I and most folks that I know don’t give a damn about what the rest of the county wants when it comes to my district. Why should I want some unwashed unemployed pot head from Arcata telling me what to do?

But, setting that aside, whoever runs for this seat and gets it better put the constituents of his district first and foremost.
 
Frankly, 9:35 my first inclination is to tell you to butt out of the 2d district’s politics if you don’t vote there.

Why? A vote by any supervisor affects everyone in the county.
 
it may effect everyone, but everyone doesn't vote for the person.
 
Actually, 9:45, I'm a voter in the second district, and I bathe. To rephrase my question, do you think there will be any differences between the representation provided by Mr. Clendenen, should he win, and the representation Mr. Rodoni has provided to the second district thus far, and if so, what might those differences be?
 
SHARCs (SoHumArcata Progressive activists) want to extend their sea of Green where they can swim more easily as they go after their Republican prey, so naturally, they will emphasize the whole county at the expense of the individual district when that district votes away from the Prog anti-corporate agenda. They want all Districts to look like, vote like, Arcata.
 
That's what Eric's used to seeing from the Bay Area. Reproduce the Bay Area in Humboldt County. That is the essence of the Progressive activist social change platform.
 
"That's what Eric's used to seeing from the Bay Area. Reproduce the Bay Area in Humboldt County. That is the essence of the Progressive activist social change platform."

HELP,Rob Arkley and Eric are on the same page then.Last time I checked,Orinda was in the bay area as well.
 
Actually, they are on the same page. Historically, successful corporate capitalists are being hounded by Progressive activists in rural counties where both groups stand out as throwbacks to big city politics.

Escapees from the Big City come to Humboldt County thinking that they are fleeing city life only to reproduce it in their new rural environment. Like pampas grass invasion, the Pampas Grass People come into Humboldt County looking pretty only to take over important eco-nitches from native species. This endless political war now going on since the Pampas Grass People arrived is their Big City signature that shows a people used to dividing communities up into opposing camps instead of living and working with people in rural areas where such behavior only irks country people who know better than to waste time on such worthless pursuits.
 
it may effect everyone, but everyone doesn't vote for the person.

The point is, they have an interest. Voting is not the only way to be involved. It's well within the rights of a Eureka resident to publicly support, send money to, or volunteer time on behalf of or in opposition to a second district candidate.
 
See what I mean? Because he's used to Big City politics, Eric cannot fathom the idea that local communities like to be independent, like to make their own decisions about issues that significantly impact their lives, you know, like employment.

No one in Fortuna, Carlotta, Rio Dell, Scotia wants to see SHARCs come in to our communities to wage their anti-corporate Cold War that wants to pit liberal/Left against mainstream Humboldt citizens. It's a very destructive political ideology that's inappropriate for rural communities.
 
"No one in Fortuna, Carlotta, Rio Dell, Scotia wants to see SHARCs come in to our communities to wage their anti-corporate Cold War that wants to pit liberal/Left against mainstream Humboldt citizens. It's a very destructive political ideology that's inappropriate for rural communities."

Except those who want to subdivide rural lands.
 
Eric says - “The point is, they have an interest. Voting is not the only way to be involved. It's well within the rights of a Eureka resident to publicly support, send money to, or volunteer time on behalf of or in opposition to a second district candidate.”

Yeah they have the right and WE resent it. Butt out! There are lots of places where your philosophy of butting in will fly. However, there are places (like fortuna) where it will backfire. Go ahead make it easier for us by trying to force your views on us. I can’t wait.

BTW Mresquan - if we want to divide OUR rural lands we will and we don’t give a crap that you don’t like it.
 
And tell your fellow Fortunan Randy Gans to stay away from influencing the political structure north of Fortuna.
And I'm sure that there are residents in South Dakota,Pennsylvania,Ohio,and wherever else a certain local rich guy has tried to influence a political structure,who have the sentiment as you do.
And I'm not so against the subdivision thing,like some other lefties may be,as I think that an influx of lefties moving in there will do some good things for that area.And it's right wingers who are paving that road.
 
Yeah they have the right and WE resent it. Butt out! There are lots of places where your philosophy of butting in will fly. However, there are places (like fortuna) where it will backfire. Go ahead make it easier for us by trying to force your views on us. I can’t wait.

Where did anybody say anything about force? It's about discussion. And I've enough clients and acquaintances in Fortuna to know that only a few of them object to discussion. There are some who are threatened by it. But most are quite willing to discuss and debate the issues, and they aren't quite as monolithic and xenophobic as you and Stephen want to believe.
 
Live in your Prog dream world, eric. You don't live here and yet you think you're the expert. And you thought you could get away with accusing me of being uninformed..
 
I think you underestimate the people in your neighborhood Stephen.
 
Oh, so you now know the people in my neighborhood. Wow, eric. Is there anything you aren't an expert on?
 
Uh - Eric, you are uninformed.

And Mark, I don't know Gans.
 
I do know the people in your neighborhood Stephen. Well enough to know they aren't the ignorant xenophobes you make them out to be. I wonder what they'd say if they knew how you spoke about them online.
 
evyn, that's quite a piece of twisted logic if I've ever read one! Read your own post again and see that it is you who are accusing my neighbors of being ignorant xenophobes. I like my Rio Dell neighbors. You might too if you can overcome your prejudices about mainstream folk who don't care for activists--having seen too many of their family members and friends put out of work by environmentalist lawsuits.
 
wow.
We have this wonderful opportunity for real communication, and it always devolves to this. It's both diappointing and disheartening. I guess the age-old question should have been a multiple choice. Man is neither basically good nor basically evil. He's just self-absorbed.
 
Eric, you'd have a much more pleasant blog if you bit the bullet, let go -- just this once -- of the lawyerly instincts which Stephen so despises, but which keep him on here anyway because YOU believe in freedom of speech, and... blocked him.

Just a thought.
 
There is no blocking function on this format. It's not an option. I'd have to be here 24/7 deleting his crap.
 
Oh, da poor widdo babies. Wanna have their blog all to their selves so they can have their little SHARC Republican feeding frenzies.

And da nasty Steve comes along and spoils it all by telling us we are just vicious sharks and not human beings and we don't like it! He has to go! Pweeze, eric, make him go away, Pweeze..?
 
Weren't you calling me a conservative Stephen? Bipolar are we?
 
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