Wednesday, December 26, 2007

 

Redway Post Office protest last Friday

I'd heard something about it, and now I've read Cristina Bauss' article in this week's Independent. They were of course protesting the lack of access to the post office boxes after 6:00 p.m. (5 on Mondays) and on Sundays and holidays.

Redway has no home delivery, so they are forced to have boxes. For those who can't get off work right at 5:00 these hours are a problem. Apparently the postmaster, who had previously said he would consider timed locks, has ascertained that such a solution violates postal regulations. I'm not sure why the Inverness solution is out of the question (door locks opened by post office keys). And apparently hiring somebody just to open and close violates the Homeland Security Act or something.

If the limited hours are necessary, why does Garberville's office remain open 24/7? In fact, according to the article none of the other local post offices closes for any significant period of time, except for Alderpoint which closes on Halloween because of "particular problems." (Ghosts?).

Roger Rodoni showed up. He blamed the problem on residents who put up with urination, defecation, and "other behaviors." The protesters presented a petition requesting Sheriff nighttime surveillance. But there you have it. Rodoni is now firmly anti-defecation. Give him credit for being there, but don't let him distract from the issue, which is access to mail - not crime or homelessness.

Some of the protesters attempted to steer the discussion away from the homeless and back to the issue of access to mail. One protester told the postmaster "I'm hearing a lot of yeah-butts from you. You need to be more solution oriented."

Comments:
Get Real Eric!! How many Redway residents have 8 to 5 or 9 to 5 jobs? 15 or 20 ? This one is unbelievable. This had to have been a joke ?

I remember back in the late 80's when the Redway postmaster got busted for growing dope.
 
How many Redway residents have 8 to 5 or 9 to 5 jobs? 15 or 20 ?

Well, pretty much everybody on my block except for one retired woman and two retired families. And I and at least one person have hours much longer.
 
12:15 I can tell who your friends are. I and many, many of us have worked 9-5 for decades. Just because you don't travel in those circles, doesn't mean that circle doesn't exist.
 
Redway seems ripe for an enterprising person to serve as a postal carrier. Give him a spare key, and he delivers your mail. How much a month is that service worth to you?
 
That's a clever idea. Maybe a high school student out there?
 
I was there. What was particularly interesting was the number of business people, Rotarians, Chamber of Commerce people there talking about needing access to their mail.
Also interesting was the way the postmaster, who declined to meet with the larger group outside, later framed the question in terms solely of what he called health and safety issues. Protesters kept trying to bring it back to access; he kept bringing it back to raving hordes of zombies. Or homeless. Don't recall which. Sure sounded like zombies to me.
I researched the hours of post offices within about a 200 mile radius of Redway. Most of them are open 24/7.
Some protesters asked for maybe later closing, like 11 at night, noting that the apparent zombie problems don't materialize in sunlight. Well, no, that wasn't quite the argument, but sort of.
Some local business people suggested hiring a watch person. This was rejected soundly.
When the inconvenient and stupid closures started the PO was closed at 8PM. Due to a change in job situation for the janitor, who is related to a Redway postal employee, the post office was locked earlier.
Hiring another janitor wasn't considered.
It will be interesting to follow this.
 
Getting to the mail at night is important. Also Sundays.

The idea of a paid mail collector is clever, but people shouldn't have to pay for those services. That should be up to the post office.
 
Redway residents don't have to pay for their boxes.
 
Free PO Boxes? Ohhhhh! Simple solution. Charge for the boxes like everyone else and use the money to keep the office open longer. If you live in a remote area, you have to sacrifice. I'd rather not have my tax dollars subsidize your luxurious lifestyle. Oh yes, being so close to nature qualifies as luxurious. If you want all of the services available in a well-developed area, you pay for them.
 
They're free to residents because home delivery is not available. Under federal law everybody is entitled to receive mail free of charge, so because they don't offer the delivery they are forced to provide the boxes for free. Anybody outside of the Redway zip code must pay the rental fee.
 
Right, and I'm saying, you get what you pay for.
 
thank you roger for being there. the cutten post office closes at 800pm and closes for holidays
 
Right, and I'm saying, you get what you pay for.

Well, we pay in our taxes for mail delivery that everyone else gets.
 
"But there you have it. Rodoni is now firmly anti-defecation." Thta must explain why he's so full of shit.

Sorry, but I just couldn't resist.
 
Estelle was also there.
And two of our police officers, who had been invited, according to Estelle, though not by the organizers.
The officers, who stood apart from the group, close to their cars, told me that they get less pay than elsewhere, and suggest that people contact the supes about this. There are only two officers assigned to SoHum, according to the guys.
 
That's the problem with the Arcata post office. Homeless sleep in there at night.
 
Is Rodoni a member of the Anti-Defecation League?
 
the hour change of the janitor may have the post office closed eariler on weekdays but now is open untill 6 pm on saturdays. This is a volentary service on his part. Not part of his contract. I work 8 to five weekdays but can find time to check my mail during my lunch hour. it wasn't a hard adjusment.I would like to see the list of the 200 post offices. most of the whinners can get their mail delivered to their rural route, maybe they should get boxes in garberville. Maybe the whinners should volenteer to clean up the crap scrub down the boxes and patrol themselves. I find it funny that these people who can't get to the post office during business hours can find time to protest during those hours.
 
The kids have music lessons in Arcata on Saturdays. Doesn't work for me. Since we've had these hours, we've sometimes gone nearly a week without getting the mail. Does it make my life miserable? No. But it does create problems.

Sure, I can pay for a box somewhere else, but I don't feel like I should have to pay to collect my mail. Call me a socialist.

If we had home delivery, I could grab my mail any time I wanted. Maybe that's what we should push for.
 
Dear anon 6:23PM, did you graduate from South Fork High School?
 
But I am all for a volunteer brigade to monitor the place and keep it clean. Involve the community, rather than shut it out.
 
If the janitor does not wish to clean the post office it is quite possible the janitor has the wrong job.
If the post office staff does not wish to serve their clients it is quite possible they too are in the wrong line of work.
 
I guess you could always pay the $6a month and have a po box in Garberville. And if you don't have a car the exercise will do you good. A four mile walk every other day ! There you go heart healthy mail.
 
I apologize for the long comment about to be placed here, Eric. The info below is from the USPS site; I searched for post offices closest to Redway and then checked on their regulations and hours. Anyone could do the same thing.
PO Boxes Available - Redway 3400 Redwood DR
Redway, CA 95560-9766Phone: (707) 923-3784
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 923-7058

PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO 08:00-08:00PM
TU 08:00-08:00PM
WE 08:00-08:00PM
TH 08:00-08:00PM
FR 08:00-08:00PM
SA 08:30-10:30AM
(not updated, obviously)
PO Boxes Available - Garberville 368 Sprowl Creek RD
Garberville, CA 95542-9998Phone: (707) 923-2652
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 923-4813
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Whitethorn 498 Shelter Cove RD
Whitethorn, CA 95589-9900Phone: (707) 986-7532
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 986-7532
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Phillipsville 2788 Highway 254
Phillipsville, CA 95559-9998Phone: (707) 943-3591
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 943-3591


PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours

PO Boxes Available - Miranda 6723 State Highway 254
Miranda, CA 95553-8900Phone: (707) 943-3571
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 943-3571
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Myers Flat 12848 State Highway 254
Myers Flat, CA 95554-9538Phone: (707) 943-3335
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 943-3335
MO 00:00-07:15AM 07:45-11:59PM
TU 00:00-07:15AM 07:45-11:59PM
WE 00:00-07:15AM 07:45-11:59PM
TH 00:00-07:15AM 07:45-11:59PM
FR 00:00-07:15AM 07:45-11:59PM
SA 00:00-07:30AM 08:30-11:59PM

PO Boxes Available - Weott 11 Lum ST
Weott, CA 95571-8800Phone: (707) 946-2456
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 946-2456
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Alderpoint 410 Alder AVE
Alderpoint, CA 95511-9402Phone: (707) 926-5270
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours

PO Boxes Available - Redcrest 26406 State Highway 254
Redcrest, CA 95569-9631Phone: (707) 722-4241
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 722-4241
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Leggett 67674 Drive Thru Tree RD
Leggett, CA 95585-9900Phone: (707) 925-6232
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Rio Dell 315 Wildwood AVE
Rio Dell, CA 95562-9998Phone: (707) 764-3772
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 764-3772
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
PO Boxes Available - Fortuna 699 13th ST
Fortuna, CA 95540-9998Phone: (707) 725-9306
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
Fax: (707) 725-9587
MO 08:30-05:00PM
TU 08:30-05:00PM
WE 08:30-05:00PM
TH 08:30-05:00PM
FR 08:30-05:00PM
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
 
I was curious about the post office the Redway postmaster moved from, which was in Leadville, CO. Looks like he was postmaster there only slightly more than a year.
Here's their post office lobby hours and so forth.
PO Boxes Available - Leadville 130 W 5th ST
Leadville, CO 80461-9998Phone: (719) 486-9397
Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS
PO Box Lobby Hours:
MO Open 24 Hours
TU Open 24 Hours
WE Open 24 Hours
TH Open 24 Hours
FR Open 24 Hours
SA Open 24 Hours
SU Open 24 Hours
 
Thanks for the long copy and paste instead of taking the time to summarize for us.

One tiny problem. Redway has urination, defecation, and "other behaviors" issues plaguing it. Last time I checked, residents in towns with 24 hour service didn't think "PO Boxes" meant "Piss On Boxes." Correct your town's urinary incontinence and maybe you can have nice things again.
 
you wrote: "If the janitor does not wish to clean the post office it is quite possible the janitor has the wrong job.
If the post office staff does not wish to serve their clients it is quite possible they too are in the wrong line of work."

on: Wed Dec 26, 06:32:00 PM

Well, 6:32 PM, I disagree with you.

Mopping floors and dumping the trash, cleaning windows, etc. is what the janitor is supposed to do. Cleaning up broken liquor bottles, or defecation, is NOT.

I don't know the postmaster, but all of the clerks at the P.O. are friendly, dedicated, and very helpful.

I don't blame the postmaster for not wanting to subject his employees, or the janitorial contractor, to a disgusting mess... but perhaps there is a better solution than locking the doors.

Maybe it could be as simple as checking in with the used book store, next to the post office, to see if they have any ideas. They share a parking lot, and a common sidewalk. It could be like a "neighborhood watch".

Paul and Kathy also are community activists, plus advocates for the homeless. I don't think the homeless are causing the problem, and perhaps Paul and Kathy agree, and want to help prove the postmaster wrong? Just a thought.
 
Anon 6:29 pm
No i didn't graduate from
South Fork. U.C. Davis.
 
What? HSU not good enough for you? Learn local; don't export your tuition. Thanks for not supporting our local economy.
 
6:54 - I have no complaints about long posts which are filled with substance, and that is substance. Thank you for the information.
 
Redway has urination, defecation, and "other behaviors" issues plaguing it.

It's happened in Garberville as well. Yet they're open 24/7.
 
Are you saying the poop problem is as severe in G-town? I don't think so.
 
Yes, having Toll-free: (800) ASK-USPS pasted 13 times is substance. No, wait, that's laziness.
 
Are you saying the poop problem is as severe in G-town? I don't think so.

How severe is it in Redway? I know it's happened at least once in Garberville. And people have fallen asleep there on a number of occasions.

Of course, the problem could be solved with a public toilet. But that might encourage hoards of homeless who will move here just to use our free toilets.
 
One wayward poop does not a crisis make. So says Yoda.

Earth Class Mail.
 
this is stupid!
redway po closed big deal. deal with it sounds like they had a perfectly good resaon even though most lazy people say its not. the janitor is doing the customers a favor by locking the door at all. why can't the redway people appericate that. what would are all of you going to do when the nice janiotor quits his job and moves to rio dell where he lives and your lobby gets locked at 5 and back @ 10:30 on sat? appericate the gifts you are given.
I realize that people want there hours increased but from what i can see till the homeless/transit problem is SOLVED there is no way that the hours can be increased.
 
One suggestion has been to get a POB in another town or get rural delivery (for those of us who live way out of town). I have had the same PO box number for almost 30 years; changing my mailing address is more than just an inconvenience.
It's printed on my driver's license, it's on my business cards, letterhead; etc.
Keying the lobby door so our PO box keys open it would be a one time large expense and solve the problem.
 
just called iverness post office got # of usps web site
they DONT GIVE KEYS to the lobby door NOR DO THE PO BOX KEYS unlock the outer lobby door BECAUSE they leave their lobby open. They said that they do not have the same problem redway does. but if they did have the homeless problem that redway does they would concider loclikg the lobby like the 3 main PO's in SF.
 
been a dope growwer for 30 years ?
 
One effective way of protesting the new policy of the Redway P.O. might be to go and buy your stamps and ship your packages through G'town P.O. or any of the others.
If Redway P.O. revenue drops significantly, then the higher-ups get irritated and the shit will roll downhill to the postmaster anyway and probably in a way he least would like it.
With less work to do staff people lose jobs or get transfered to where the need is greater. Postmasters can be replaced. So if this is a contest of wills, then let the games begin.
 
why can't the redway people appericate that. what would are all of you going to do when the nice janiotor quits his job and moves to rio dell where he lives and your lobby gets locked at 5 and back @ 10:30 on sat? appericate the gifts you are given.

Reminds me of the Dickinsonian religious opposition to unionization. "Appreciate the gifts God has given you and don't ask for more."

"Please sir, may I have some more?"

"More?!!!!"
 
Anon 12/26/2007 9: 26 pm
I have 3 children who graduated
from hsu. What about you!!
 
I find it funny that these people who can't get to the post office during business hours can find time to protest during those hours.

lmao!
 
Doesn't the nice janitor also work next door at the market?
There have been other janitors at the redway post office who did not seem to have as much difficulty there.
 
How about me 10:24? I put an orphaned family of six siblings through HSU, along with my own 3 kids and my husband and myself are graduates, plus I started 4 scholarships and I donate 100 turkeys every Thanksgiving to help during finals week, plus I donate blood every other month to students undergoing operations, and also I'm immortal and was the delegate who traveled to Sacramento to get HSU situated in Arcata. How about you? Three kids graduated, huh? Chump change for a chump.
 
the people who made it to the protest included one of the citizens of the year; a well respected teacher retiring after 35 years service; a well known second generation business owner and a number of others who had arranged their lunch time to coincide with part of the protest time.
 
Of course, the problem could be solved with a public toilet. But that might encourage hoards of homeless who will move here just to use our free toilets.

Yep, the roving "hoards of homeless" is the big problem. Give them a toilet and next they'll want your daughter. Better to jail them all. If they can't afford a home with a toilet, lock them up. Then the people who count, the good citizens with mailboxes, wont be inconvenienced.
 
If they won’t let me in the post office I can’t get my mail. If I can’t get my mail I don’t get my bills. If I don’t get my bills I have fewer bills to pay. I think that the post office should close at 3:00 pm. Even fewer bills.

All Seriousness aside, the postmaster at Redway is not a problem solver. He sounds like a mental midget. Not that there is anything wrong with midgets mind you. A Porta Potty in the parking lot. Problem solved for dumbass power tripper.
 
I'm glad political candidates are showing up. But maybe we need to think bigger. We missed the window with Kucinich, but maybe we can get John Edwards or Ron Paul to stop into the Redway Post Office.
 
Oh, why not go higher. St. Anthony of Padua is apparently not only the patron saint of lost objects and starving people and those who are oppressed, but of mail.
I will now go light a few candles.
 
I heard (on the radio?) Craig Parkinson (Parkie) was on this. Up the chain of command he said (I think). Now if Parkie is on the problem you have to believe it is going to get solved---- fast! Parkie can make Rodoni look like the do nothing for Southern Humboldt joke that he is. Let’s see if Estelle is the problem solver she and her minions say she is or can be. Come on Estelle get the postmaster transferred to a place where there are no problems to solve. Get the doors open until 9:00 or 11:00 PM. Eric this is a chance for your man Clendenen to show what he can do. If he gets the doors open he gets elected.
 
there were other janitors they all had the same problems. this janitor did his sister a favor and locked the door at night so she could help here customers becasue she cared. the janitor does this all on his own time for you so dont look a gift horse in the mouth
yes he works next door at the market but what does that have to do with the homelss crapping in the po. he is one of the few young men under 30 who acutally works a real job and not the so hum trade
 
the roving "hoards of homeless" is the big problem.

They rove up to the Mateel for a free lunch at noon, then they rove down to the P.O. where they deposit it at midnight. It's time to give them what they deserve, I think you know what I mean.
 
Who is feeding the homeless? Don't feed the homeless and they move on.
 
Yep, starving them out is the answer. If they don't eat they can't shit. But wait, a starving person has nothing to loose, he might decide that it's time for you to move on (to the next world) and for him to spend your money on food.
 
It's a simple fact. Homeless people go where there is food and/or shelter. Don't feed them in Redway and they move to a population center where they can be properly fed and/or housed. Which do you want -- your mail at 9 p.m. or a soup kitchen?
 
Move them on to a center where they can be properly fed and/or housed.

Exactly! Jail the son of a bitches.
 
Such a wealthy community, and yet so completely poor.
 
Dear anon 6:23PM, did you graduate from South Fork High School?

Wed Dec 26, 06:29:00 PM

Well I graduated from South Fork High almost 30 years ago and have an 8-5 job. I am also a great speller. My husband graduated from high school and college in Marin Co. and can't spell shit! It's a good thing he has me(SFHS graduate)to help him!
 
The USPS should install a card lock on the door. When you get your mailbox they issue you a card. Slide it in the door lock, the door opens, you get your mail, whenever you feel like it. Lose the card, no problem, they just delete it from the lock system. They can make the system non-memory so the paranoid folks in Redway don't have to worry about the government tracking them.
 
McKinleyville's post office had a problem with graffiti. After the second tagging, a temporary sign went up stating that if it happened again, the door would be locked at night (presumably 5 p.m. weekdays, closed weekends).

That sign stopped the tagging. Maybe Redway could use a "no pooping" sign. Use a diagram because the poor poopers probably cannot read. Use a traditional sign, but substitute a squatting person.
 
Granted, I am pretty head-in-the-clouds, but in my 30 some years in the area I only recall seeing one incidence of peeing or pooping close to the Redway Post Office. That was last summer, when a young miss of maybe 2 years of age was trying hard to get her parent's attention near the door, outside, and failed. Young miss was very sad. I helped clean up the liquid. To hear the discussion of this issue one might assume that the halls of the Post Office were crowded as a Paris urinal.
 
Why isn't the vets hall open anymore? Porta pots are not a solution, jail is not a solution, nor is hiring a responsible homeless person to patrol the p.o. after hours. Slamming the employees of the p.o. get you no where!!
Is this the best our community can come up with?
I work 9 to 5 and have no problem with the current hours.
 
I often don't get off work till past 6:30. I have friends who work 9 to 5 and by the time they have made it to the post office find it locked.
It is about access.
I don't think anyone is complaining about the postal employees, only about the hours and the arbitrary way this has been decided and the arbitrary way it continues.
I complained back in the summer and was told to take my complaint to my House of Representatives guy, Mike Thompson. The postmaster said that Mike had signed off on the idea. I doubt that very much, and hate bothering Mike about this. But maybe we should.
 
You can keep trying to steer the issue back to hours, but it's piss and poop (vandalism). As long as that issue persists, it's irrelevant to talk about staying open late.
 
It's a simple fact. Homeless people go where there is food and/or shelter. Don't feed them in Redway and they move to a population center where they can be properly fed and/or housed. Which do you want -- your mail at 9 p.m. or a soup kitchen?

I want both, but if it comes down to a choice I'll take basic humanity over convenience.

But there are plenty of communities with homeless people who keep their post offices open. I think a reliable community pooperscoop brigade the postal employees could call on would solve the problem.
 
I do have to say that I'm amazed at the length of this thread. I expected maybe 10 to 15 posts. A world leader was assassinated today you know. Poverty is on the rise in our own country. While I find the shorter hours annoying, and I would like to see solution oriented discussions, this subject just shouldn't be the basis for so much angst.
 
7:21 PM
What is wrong with a Porta Pot?
While the word slamming is maybe a little harsh maybe it is needed. The Postmaster is not helping. At least he is not showing much concern. Kinda like Rodoni and the roads around here. Just as we need a supervisor who cares and can get the road problem solved, we need a postmaster who cares and can get the problem solved. If he can’t solve the problem get a new postmaster. I think that maybe if the homeless know how angry the people are at not being able to get in the post office they may even police themselves. Pass the word that the Mateel meals are in jeopardy of closing down because of this. This may shake them up enough to get the word out that the post office is out of bounds among themselves. Get feedback from the homeless about this and if there it is positive then tell the postmaster to give it another chance.
What is wrong with a permanent outhouse somewhere in Redway? It can be pumped out every week or whatever is needed. The business can pitch in whatever it would take to pay to have it pumped on a regular schedule. It would be cheap and people would have a place to go to the bathroom.
That is my attempt at a solution. Tell me why it won’t work. Tell me why we can’t try it. In the meantime pass the word to the homeless that they are really screwing up. They are pissing (no pun intended) off the people and their gravy (pun intended) train is going to run off the tracks and they will be shipped off to Fortuna or Rodoni’s campsite on PL Land.
 
Maybe we should all point a collective FINGER at the Mateel Free Meal Program that supports the "Hoard" and now is costing us OUR PRECIOUS FREEDOMS!
 
Eric
This is a very local issue. In general people don’t know or care who Bhutto is. Ask how many can find Pakistan on a map. We have hungry people here in So Hum to worry about. Most people don’t care about the sub prime loan mess but the people who care probably think the post office problem is minor. Local people have to get their mail. It is being denied by a dictator postmaster. He offers no solution. There have been solutions offered here. At first glance is may seem petty but getting one’s mail is as American as apple pie. People have schedules for many reasons.
Even though it might not be politics you know that “all politics is local”. Local problems are the most important.
 
If the postmaster said the Mike Thompson signed off on this then get Thompson the hell involved. Even if he didn’t sign off on it get him involved. Why not? This is a U.S. Government enterprise to serve the people. He represents us. What is his phone number? Wait…………………………………….
HUMBOLDT DISTRICT OFFICE
317 3rd Street, Suite 1
Eureka, CA 95501
Phone: (707) 269-9595
Fax: (707) 269-9598
Email from this website (click on the blue words).

Call, write a letter or fax or send an email.
 
Since the Mateel feeds the homeless and the homeless shit in the post office and the post office is closed now because of said defecation then the obvious solution is for People’s Productions to steal ROTR so that they can pave the roads with outhouses.
Oh, get a new postmaster too.
 
Eric, you wrote that Sat mail collection doesn't help you as you take your kids to Arcata on Sat for music lessons. How long does it take to swing by the PO on the way to Arcata? 60 seconds? 90? 2 minutes if you stop and say hi to a neighbor? Sheesh. I don't know what all the whining is about.
 
Saturday mail is not usually in the boxes early.
 
Why is the Mateel feeding homeless? What percentage of the people fed actually live in the area year-round?
 
thats not true the saturday mail is usually up before noon.
the employees start at 6:30 to get you your mail as soon as possible. it has even been up as early as 9 AM. Just ask Kevin and Tivoly
 
The morning constitutional is scheduled at 9 a.m. on Saturdays. The postal employees need to be done well before then.
 
the mail is set to be delivered by 1:30 PM on Saturdays. Anything before that is bonus. And you should all be greatful that they work as hard as they do to get you your mail. especially those who get their mail and/or packages sent to their street address and it still manages to find its way to your po box.
 
Eric
This is a very local issue. In general people don’t know or care who Bhutto is. Ask how many can find Pakistan on a map.


The way you put that you seem to think that's a virtue.
 
Eric, you wrote that Sat mail collection doesn't help you as you take your kids to Arcata on Sat for music lessons. How long does it take to swing by the PO on the way to Arcata? 60 seconds? 90? 2 minutes if you stop and say hi to a neighbor? Sheesh. I don't know what all the whining is about.

To answer your question, we're generally on road to Arcata by 9 a.m. We do the music lessons, run errands, visit friends, and generally get back after dark. I'm not saying that the policy should accomodate my family's needs in particular. I'm just saying that Saturday isn't an option for me. And since I usually work at least until 6 p.m. during the week, we get our mail only when my wife can make it to the post office. Basically we now get our mail once or twice a week.
 
When I was in the PO the other day I over heard your wife tell the employees that she only gets the parcels and you check the mail. Well what time do you go to work if you get off at 6PM? Do you get a lunch?
I know only because I check my mail everyday that it is usually up by 10:00 AM and what comes after that it is catalogs. I don't see the issue. Yes it is an inconvince BUT I can see both signs of the coin. I would rather be inconvincesd then have people pee on my mail box (which happened to me when Jim Mayhew was working). I have had enough. If your mail was as important to you all as you say then you would find the time to check it. I mean you find the time to go to the bank or get your children off to school or to music lessons and hour and a half away. Me personally it doesn't matter if I get that credit card bill on Monday or Thursday because till I get my pay check on Friday I can't pay the bill anyway.
 
The way you put that you seem to think that's a virtue.
I didn’t mean it that way. My opinion on that is that the schools should force the kids to know where these places are on the map. It would be easy to do. Sure, the fault lies with the kids as well but the teachers are the boss.
 
By your standards maybe the post office should only be open one day a week for an hour.

If pretty much every other post office is open 24 hours then ours should figure out a way to at least make it more convenient for us. The biggest obstacle is that the post master is not willing to solve the problem and his arrogance. That is the problem. He is a lousy problem solver.
 
It's the postmaster's job to solve the problem of chronic homelessness, how to fund public restrooms and to cure transients of urinary and fecal incontinence. Yep. That's some argument you have there.
 
1 pm, I was at the Mateel recently when they were having the Mateel Meal. I counted 25 people being served, many of them I recognized as local homeless. I expect the number is bigger in the summer. Many of them seemed to be helping out with the meal, clean up etc.. which I was glad to see.
 
The morning constitutional is scheduled at 9 a.m. on Saturdays.

Then simply close the doors from 8:30 to 9:30 and they'll have to find somewhere else to take their crap.
 
The postmaster's job is to see that the postal patrons receive their mail in a timely manner.
His bogus conflation of homeless marauders endangering said patrons is needless.
His statement that postal patrons will not receive mail in a timely way until the problem of homelessness is solved in Redway is downright preposterous.
Why not go on and say something like "and until there is peace on earth and everyone is happy, I am going to close the post office"?
 
8:50, would you rather the poop be preserved in carton and placed in your PO box as proof? Denying reality will get you nowhere.
 
11:39
Nobody is denying reality poophead, although if you do not think that the postmaster has more responsibility to solve the problem than just saying “Until the homeless problem is solved the post office will close at 5:00 PM” you are denying reality. And nobody thinks that the postmaster should solve the homeless problem either. The postmaster needs to find a solution to how to keep the doors open. He has different possibilities that he has either ignored or does not want to utilize and has not said why none of them are viable. The postmaster says it is a homeless problem period. So does that mean that he will not open the PO after 5:00 until he sees no more homeless in Redway? What does it mean? If the homeless stopped defecating in the PO would that solve the problem? If word got back to the postmaster that the homeless would start policing themselves about this problem would that give us another chance? I still don’t understand why some kind of porta potty cannot be set up someplace with a permanent one in the plans.
For 7:58 to be sarcastic and say something that nobody has said is lame. What is your solution bucko?
Half the problem is the postmaster. Is the other half the defecation thing? Or is it just the homeless in general?
Other post offices have similar problem, surely. What is their solution? To just say “too bad, live with the new hours” is simple minded. Your input is no help. It is no solution.
 
Yes, you are denying reality. You act like the issue isn't one of public safety. Changing the subject like you're playing some sort of ponzi scheme will not get the post office open later.

It's like you're trying to open a door using the wrong key. I'm shouting at you saying, "YOU HAVE THE WRONG KEY!" and you're shouting back, "I DON'T CARE. THIS DOOR IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN. OPEN DAMMIT!" as you continue jamming your wrong key in the door lock. Anyone else who has stopped to think about it can stand back and, well, almost laugh at the futility of the situation. Everyone behind you wants the door open too, but we can see you are not the person who will get it open becayse you deny reality.

Address the real issue (public safety due to pee, poop, etc.) and maybe you'll get the door open.
 
Leave the doors open and install video cameras. Post the videos f those caught in the act on the internet.
 
Now there is a solution. That may work. Post the pictures of the offenders on the post office wall and then have a conversation with the offender(s). If the conversation does not work load said blindfolded offender into the back of a pickup and drop him off at Rodoni’s fun farm. Then Rodoni will have a homeless problem to deal with (joke). Seriously, see what happens with cameras and photos. Maybe that is not a viable solution. If it’s is not a viable solution, why not? At least it is better than just saying “Get to the post office when it’s open and if you can’t tough shit”. Or “Fix the homeless problem and then come get to me”.
 
Video cameras are an interesting idea. My bet is that the footage would be quite boring and include very very little of what has been alleged.
 
10:15 AM
"Address the real issue (public safety due to pee, poop, etc.) and maybe you'll get the door open."

How did I change the subject? I am not trying to use the same key. I tried to install a different lock. I didn’t just stand there and say “Open the door damnit.”

Porta Pottys.
If they are not viable, why not? I’m just trying to find an alterative for the person who is causing the public safety issue. I bet a majority think that a public restroom in Redway is a good thing. A hassle probably but a good thing. I know I have to pee when I am in Redway sometimes. Luckily I am able to enter a business and use their restroom where a homeless person is not wanted. Some of the homeless are pretty responsible though. I would bet one of them would clean the restroom everyday for a little cash. More hassle I’m sure but to say get rid of the homeless is plain not going to happen. As uncomfortable as you can make it in Redway for them there would still be some who would not leave. Should every one of them be gassed? If you think about you are the person trying to jam your wrong key (get rid of the homeless) in the door lock. Talk about laughing at the futility of the situation. Everyone behind you wants the door open too, but we can see you are not the person who will get it open because you deny reality and offer no solution. Not even a try. Jeez.
 
It's not your door. You don't get to install a new lock so that poop and piss can re-enter the post office.
 
12:21, I'm not offering a solution because there isn't a solution. I can't fix homelessness and the vandalism that results from it.

Or rather, there isn't a solution that you would stomach. Stop feeding the homeless and they will move on to the next city. Then you can have your post office back.

Arguing that the post office is being unreasonable ignores the public safety issue, and you should get your way because a lot of people want the same thing will get you no where. Solve the public safety issue and then you have a grounds for discussion.
 
1. The public safety issue is exaggerated.
2. Show me a town anywhere in the U.S. that does not have very poor or homeless people.
3. Getting the destitute to move elsewhere misses the fact that many of these people are the children and grandchildren of long term business and property owners. They are home.
4. All of the above has very little to do with why the Redway post office needs to have curtailed hours when post offices throughout California remain open 24/7.
 
12:36:00 PM
Ok. Thanks for the help.

So anyway there have been two possible solutions offered here. Nobody has said why either one will not work. I’m sure there are other solutions too. If somebody is in contact with the homeless community maybe try to ask them. Let them know what is going on. They are not on the internet. Let them know people are really really pissed off. I think they have found out that their trash in their encampments is not cool. I think I heard that the camps are staying cleaner because of what Mr. Casali has done. Granted not all is well in campland but it’s better. The homeless know that if they hassle patrons or customers at different stores they get in trouble. Of course there are a few that cannot help themselves but you know what? They are dealt with one way or another. If there is only one homeless person doing the damage then deal with that one person.
 
Man, this discussion is still getting up dander?!

The video cameras would seem to be a reasonable solution. Maybe we can fundraise for them.
 
Claiming "The public safety issue is exaggerated" will get you nowhere. The thing you refuse to accept is real enough that it has closed the post office. Saying "Not uh!" now is not constructive.

Yes, video cameras might be a solution if other post offices already use them (no legal issues) and there isn't a public outcry. But the cameras need to #1 provide high quality video and #2 be positioned in such a way that they capture the face of anyone who attempts to vandalize the cameras.
 
Mr. Casali has apparently burnt out some of the homeless camps and threatened to burn out others. I am not certain this level of "cleanliness" should be encouraged, nor should the death threats.
 
Let's get this right. The public safety issue has not closed the post office; issues don't close things. The perception of the postmaster and staff at the post office that there is a public safety issue has curtailed hours. And the stories about precisely what the public safety issues are have changed a great deal since last summer. As solutions are offered the ground shifts.
And again, virtually every post office within a wide range of Redway has lobbies open 24/7.
 
Actually 10:06, you're wrong on all points.

Poop and piss remain a public safety issue. You know, substances that should not be in the post office and exposed to its patrons.
 
I like the idea of a video camera, but we do have a serious homeless problem. The trash left on the river is unacceptable and a danger to the community. Has anyone seen the latest pile of collected trash between Redway and Garberville?
Eric, why don't you close your po box and get your mail at your work address? That's what I did, and it is so fun getting mail actually delivered in Garberville.
 
Well, if I were a homeless person and went to the P.O. to take a crap and found the doors locked --it wouldn't be that big of a problem --I'd just take my crap on the sidewalk right in front of the door.
 
Interesting point. One wonders why, if this is really such a problem, people are using the PO for their excretory needs and not the bushes and not the restrooms of kind Redway business people?
Is there something really lovely about using the PO this way?
Or is the so called problem being wildly exaggerated for other reasons?
 
There is a select group of homeless who are creating the problems. They jump out at you as you walk up. They stand outside fighting with them selves. They use the po as a rooming house and restroom. and yes they have pooped outside the front doors. peed on boxes, dump the trash cans and use the contents as bedding. I use to check my mail in the very early am. The problem w/ these guys has scared me away untill after an employee gets there.
 
The problem w/ these guys has scared me away untill after an employee gets there.

Did you ever try giving them a warm greeting? Did you ever consider inviting them home for a meal, a shower, and a bed? No, I didn't think so. Peace and Love to all my brothers and sisters out there.
 
And blessings to you as well, 6:41. Thank you.
 
A warm hello yes! take them home with me Hell no. I will leave that to you!
 
6:41, I'm sure we'll be reading about you in the newspaper one of these days. Do you pick up hitchhikers too?
 
Given the lack of public transportation I am certainly glad of those who pick up hitch hikers. Thank you.
 
I do sometimes pick them up myself, though not when other members of my family are in the car.
 
80 percent of all hitchhiking-related crimes are committed by the driver.

Having said that, no, I wouldn't bring one of the P.O. homeless home. Give them something to eat? Sure. But don't even impoverished people have pride? I've known plenty who do. Shit in the woods, like bears do. Not in buildings or on the sidewalk. And what's the point of upending the trash cans and leaving broken bottles?
 
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