Tuesday, January 29, 2008

 

Reggae lease trial update

Cristina Bauss was at the proceedings today and provided a story on tonight's news. You can listen at the KMUD site. Apparently it was another day's grilling of Tom Dimmick. I've already heard several different versions, and I'm not even going to attempt to reconcile them.

My understanding is that Tom's attorney will be cross-examining him tomorrow. If they finish cross, redirect, and recross tomorrow, I believe Cristina said that Susan Matilla and Carol are due to follow. I guess Bragg is saving his friendly witnesses for last. Of course, Bragg can call the witnesses in any order he wishes.

There are some accounts provided by spectators who've posted in the Red Lion thread below.

Addendum: Bob has some photos from the proceedings.

Comments:
Tom gave it up yesterday. I was there. I do not see how he can recover from what he admitted yesterday. Yes, it may be evidence Mateel is presenting, but it is coming from Tom.
 
Red Lyin' in Winter
 
10:10 What did Tom admit to yesterday?
 
He essentially admitted that he and Carol thought the Mateel was broke and that they thought if Carol quit Tom could cancel the lease so they presented that scenario to Mateel demanding that it give up ROTR to Tom and Carol under a licensing agreement or it would lose everything.

It could not have gone over well with the arbitrator.

Tom also tried to down play and backtrack from the strong language in a letter that he sent to Mateel saying that Carol would never produce ROTR again for Mateel. It made him seem like a liar. Sorry to say it, but I was there and that is the way it was.
 
Tom was equally bad today. His lawyer would basically read from adocument and then say is that right or something like it and Tom dutifully said yes. He seemed like a trained seal performing for its handler. I hope his lawyer buys him the fish dinner he earned.
 
Jesus Christ!
Tom Dimmick was on the stand till 5:15 today (Wed.)!

Ms. Mattila (forgive if I mispell) took the stand graciously for 15 minutes and will continue tomorrow.

It is both tedious and fascinating and a tremendous amount may rest on some incomprehensible detail........

The proceedings are very relaxed as they are not taking place in a courtroom, but a hotel. Coffee and tea provided even. It is not a problem to leave and re-enter- if you can keep from slamming the door. Arriving late is not frowned upon, the judge understands that there is at least 60 miles between the scene of the crime, if you will (sorry, kidding-I'm punchy after 3 DAYS of Tom Dimmick's testimony) and many persons were snowed in or loathe to take their life in their hands to arrive at 9:00 Monday sharp.

There were around 15 'uninvolved' spectators today and a good laugh was shared by all when the populalation around G-ville (represented pretty well there...)was described as 'rustic'.

I'm going to sign off to look at the last days posts- if they remain. I understand there have been some 'good' ones.

Felix O.
 
Felix, can you please get KMUD to send a reporter who can articulate to cover the RotR story?

It was so painful to try to decipher what Terri Klemetson was saying let alone try to follow what she was trying to report on.

As Cristina Bauss pointed out in her coverage last night this is a major story. We need KMUD to get the facts out to us. As this blog is only filled with garbage.

KMUD please bring back Estelle!
 
Estelle's running for supervisor. I'm afraid she's not going to have time to cover the news anymore!

I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically agree that we need more reporters. How we're going to go about getting some... well, I really don't know.
 
Call Bob Doran!
 
I was at the red lion today and it's true, tom is a crappy witness, put his foot in his mouth several times.. and sat and thunk for minutes on end before answering the simplest of yes , no questions. For me the highlight of the day was Bill Bragg asking Tom about what the MCC is and the function of the mateel community center in the community, knowles objecting to the question, and the judge telling tom to go ahead and answer the question because he just listened to three days of toms testimony and still had no clue what the mateel community center is. Tom grunted a few nonsensic syllables about the Mateel but Bill more or less was able to conveyed the importance of the community center. Tommy also did a little chest beating when answering a question about Taunya. "I wasn't going to let her push me around." or something to that effect.
Bill Bragg is actually quite good. I noticed Knowles looking uncomfortable ringing his hands and he tried to persuede the judge to move on to a different subject several times when tom was being questioned about budgeting matters. Every one was relieved when tom was dismissed, he was a tedious somewhat smarmy bore. Suzy Matilla was examined by Bill for the last 15 minutes. A nice change of pace with her quick yes, no matter of fact answers. Bill asked her about the pp bookkeeping and I was quite amazed that she and carol had no formula for projecting budget increases year to year.She said it was mainly she and carol getting together to figure the next years reggae budget. And i'll be darned if it didn't sound like they just kind a guess every year because, She repeated herself several times" we have no formula." HMMMMM hippy accounting.
I and few other people noticed what looked like Carol possibly giving hand signals to tom when he got stuck in his testimony. Carol's hair looked nice like she'd recently had it done.
 
Terri is doing a fine job, it is really hard to decipher the going ons in that courtroom without knowing contract law. I suggest if one wants to know what is really going on at the trial, to go. The judge is friendly and the atmosphere for spectators casual. Free coffee and tea and a bag of salted almonds.
 
I hope your right anon 8:43. It will be an absolute shame if Tom and Carol get away with stealing the Reggae festival.
 
I thought it was smart to start with Tom because you start with the beginning - what went on with Tom and Carol that led to her oh so public quitting at the Mateel in November. But I don't see why Suzy was next. How is she the next piece in the puzzle?
 
No need for any more reporters. Old RW is watching the entire show. I can summarize events so far for you:

Tom says he and Carol get to decide Mateel's fate because if she quits he can 86 Mateel from the Lease because that is what he had in his mind when he signed the dotted line.

Carol was fed up with Mateel so he and Carol decided to go forward w/o Mateel and wanted to coerce Mateel into signing off under penalty of Carol quitting and Mateel losing the lease.

Nevertheless, when Mateel dumped Carol it breached the contract so he gets to end the lease, keep his 33k lease payment for 2007 received from Mateel and keep all Mateel's improvements and infrastructure on his property.

Mateel had it coming for dissing Carol and he and Carol hate Taunya anyway. Its like things were TOTALLY going bad dude. Like there was no more unity. The cool wave like came and went and Mateel missed it!

What do you think Christina? Have I summed up Tom pretty well? Can I get hired on at KMUD?
 
As I watched today it hit me. Where had I seen such a performance before?
I will tell you where. By late this afternoon, I kept expecting Tom to stand up, stick his arms in the air, make Nixonian peace signs with his fingers and say: "I want the people of southern Humboldt to know that Tom Dimmick is not a crook. They won't have tricky Tom Dimmick to kick around anymore."
 
Editorializing is not reporting.
 
KMUD news is just fine. I have some questions about td's point on some things-
1) the rumors about Boots' were proven to be false, and weren't they proven to have been from questions from td asked to Danny Scher?
2) even if they were true, what do they have to do with Boot's ability to put on a safe and successful reggae show?
3) how long had cb already poisoning td against the BOD and ED, that no matter what, he was against them? why couldn't td and the BOD hae come up with a mutually acceptable producer?
4) I remember hearing the Planning Commission say they didn't care who produced the show, they had bench marks to meet. So if they said it would be easier to get permits with a producer who had a track record, they did not say they would not issue permits to a new producer, so what's with that excuse?
4)Carol B has been yelling WOLF and screaming THE SKY IS FALLING for so many years, to manipulate people to her demands, that it is sounding like she and td had an "end" in mind, and are now justifying the means?
 
Regarding Suzy being second in the line up--- Bill actually got quite a bit of information out of her in 15 minutes. That I could see wouldpaint a clear back drop for when the BIG MAMA takes the stand. Bill got Suzy to say she did'nt like the new more stringent, more accountable book keeping methods the mateel wanted implemented regarding Reggae finances.
 
Regarding toms statement today that a family friend warned him and his dad about boots. The said friend had done business with boots for 20 year and got screwed every time. Why on earth would someone do business for 20 years with in individual who screwed yah! Thats plain dumb!!!!
 
Well, Tom did move a lot faster when being questioned by his lawyer. But B. Bragg did get to do redirect and we bogged again. The judge got my vote for quote of the day when Bragg asked a question, Knowles objected (that pesky foundation thing again) but we all knew given time Bragg could get there. The judge looked up and said he knew the problem and it should be cleaned up but " In the interest of the shortness of life could you (Tom) just give him the answer?". Got his permission to quote. Then he said there would be no re-direct or re-cross since Tom's lawyer was only going to call him again when they present their side. Yes' they're looking at adding more days, or weeks, later in the month.
What did we learn today? Tom really trusts PB except when he drew up his MOU with PP it was critical that CB own 51% of the company but when PB left the company he didn't seem to feel the same need to write that into the lease negotiation, at least that's what Bragg's going after. He was never really involved in creating an infrastructure estimate but he agreed to pay 50,000 and PP would pay 10,000. No one is clear on how or why the MCC paid so much. Carol never discussed it with him.
The board is dazed and confused and acted like a rudderless ship when he met with them Turns out they were probably dazzled by his 2 offers. The first was he would do the show free for 2 years and then pay 100,000 spread out over the next three years. Offer 2 was the MCC would pay him 600,000 and I joined the board in their dazed mode and don't remember what we got out of that. This was not actually real, he was "just posturing" so they would realize the seriousness of the situation.
He purchased the French's camp so all those people, who admittedly never had before, wouldn't take advantage of the ingress to walk by his house.
Mercifully Susie Mattila took the stand and established that animosity existed between the MCC and PP before TS's arrival, that's why she left her MCC job. Then TS arrived and demanded a division of the ROTR accounts where income went to the MCC and PP had to present budget plans to withdraw. We won't know if this was ever instituted until tomorrow.
 
So tell me again, when is it suppose to begin to go well for the scoundrels? I thought it was when Tommy’s lawyer guy started questioning him. Not so much?
 
My favorite quote of the day has to be the important statement "Carol's hair looked nice."
 
Yes D Sher is Tom's fount of info, although he acts like he looked him up in some random phone book. Boots told me Monday he would be happy to work with us-MCC-any time. I felt that Carol had Tom believing she'd been battered by the board, that felt real. But the guy also clearly sees opportunity knocking, she's going to oversee all his shows.
 
If Tom really said that a family friend warned him and his dad about boots then he truly seems like a liar. That sounds like such a crock. How convenient. It just so happens that the only other producer just happens to be a man that his own daddy warned him about. What a disgusting, lying ass pig.
 
Regarding toms statement today that a family friend warned him and his dad about boots. The said friend had done business with boots for 20 year and got screwed every time. Why on earth would someone do business for 20 years with in individual who screwed yah! Thats plain dumb!!!!

Terry didn't mention this in her summary, but then trying to report on 8 hours of testimony in 5 minutes is a daunting task. She reported that Tom testified that he didn't want to do business with Boots because he'd done some research which revealed that he had once had a dispute about royalties in which he refused to pay and that his website bragged about not getting along with the SF authorities.

As somebody who lived in and around San Francisco and attended numerous political demonstrations, I can say that I'd be suspicious of someone who gets along too well with them, but without details I can't judge whether the website would raise reasonable concerns about the organization's ability to get along with our own Sheriff's department.

Terry did fine. As she has more experience reporting on legal issues she'll probably report with a little more confidence. But it sounds like there wasn't much time between adjournment and news time. Probably they should have put her report towards the end of the show to giver her time to review her notes and gather her thoughts.
 
If Tommy was so concerned about Boots, the savior of the Mateel (maybe we can get a plaque for the guy), Tommy should be doubly concerned about PP doing the event in the future. After all, Boots never has run into the problems that CB/PP/PB have had here in the last couple years and even in the past ten years. Tom’s concern about Boots is pure bullshit. Of course the judge has seen right through it. Hahahahahahahahahaa. Nice try Tommy but futile and amateurish.
Carol is going to be fun today. Gotta leave early, I'm sure it will be standing room only.
 
Does anyone know if children are allowed to attend?
 
My God, if he is worried about rumors regarding a producer then how can he be so far in bed with Carol? Tom may profess to love her and I am sure there are many others that join him, but I have noticed that at least half the southern Humboldt population think she is the queen of deception and back stabbing. Really, wouldn't you, if you were Tom, be worried that she might just treat you about as disloyally as she teated Mateel?
 
Maybe carol will find God and give a full confession today.
 
Wow, none of you are really listening to or understanding the testimony.

Hearing what you want to hear and repeating it doesn't make it true. Good thing there is a judge.
 
So 7:56 just what did happen from your perspective? Funny how the PP side keeps saying that the interpretations posted here are spin, but no one EVER gives a detailed analysis of PP's side.
 
It is difficult to decipher exactly what's happening in the courtroom unless you know contract law, but I would be very happy if Cristina or Cynthia Elkins (another great reporter) would attend some of the proceedings. They seem the clearest and most articulate of our local reporters.
 
Maybe Ms. Mattila will answer WTF happened to the "ELEVEN THOUSAND" missing wristbands.
Or Better yet how much each one of those "ELEVEN THOUSAND" wristbands was worth.
Let us see, 11,000 X $$$=.....
Naw, I'm sure nobody cares.
 
I have been reading your non stop accusations about 11,000 wristbands missing along with your estimate of their value. Is there one bit of proff to substantiate your claims or is it just a way to keep picking at the situation in an attempt to make it more disturbing than it already really is? Maybe you should be on the witness stand to protect the interests and accounts of the Mateel? Or maybe you should put a cork in it for a while and let the rest of us look for truth in the facts not the fiction?
 
"It is difficult to decipher exactly what's happening in the courtroom unless you know contract law"

So I guess that PB knows exactly what everything means regarding Toms testimony. You know; what sounds good is bad and what sounds bad is really really good!! (Didn’t mean to answer for you PB but since you don’t sign your name I am forced to guess your thoughts.)
 
Sorry 8:24, PR agents are taught that the truth only matters if you get caught lying. And then there is always a way around that.
 
I wish people would stop asserting that a majority of So. Humboldt feels one way or another about this pissing match. The fact is there is a large segment of this community who could care less about this fight. I know this is the biggest thing in some of your lives but however this comes out life will go on for all of us. If it weren't for Citizen of the Year cerimonies and some fund raising events a lot of locals would have never set foot in the Mateel and there are a lot of us who have never attended Reggae on the River.
 
Pet peeve time
who could care less
shouldn't that read couldn't care less?
 
8:42,
OK, so the independent auditor and audit finds "ELEVEN THOUSAND" additional unaccounted for or missing wristbands that were purchased for the 2006 event. Why isn't there a logical explanation for those Eleven Thousand" wristbands?
There was accounting postings for the 14,500 wristbands that the county permits attendance levels were set at. Actually I think there was unaccounted for wristbands in that part of the audit also. Maybe Debra Brooks can provide you with the proof of the purchased unaccounted for wristbands.
I know, maybe Ms. Mattila can answer those questions. She is an accountant, Right?
But as far as my having "proff" it would be highly unlikely that I could provide you with "proff" because my dictionary doesn't have that "wrrd" and I don't know what that "wrrd" "proff" means........
 
So I'll ask again, those rumors that were spread, what in the name of reggae concerts has that got to do with Boots' ability to produce a safe and successful show?? Wasn't safe pp and td's mantra? Nothing says that these poor excuses gave td the right to steal ROTR.
 
Okay assh@#e. The typo should read proof. Which incidently the audit by Debra Brooks the incomplete one because TS didn't accept the paperwork from PP does not contain. This will be brought out at the trial maybe today. It contains questions but certainly not proof or even accusations.
Therefore quoting her as a source for your statements' veracity is pretty lame. So where is your proof?
I saw arms loaded up with wristbands. They were for everything from general admission to camping, including backstage, volunteer, staff, vip, performer, vendor, etc. Every wrist band did not translate into a body. In fact most of us looked like Indian brides with our multicolored bangles of bands. My question to you is why you chose to hammer on this issue? Will you be as vocal when TDs attorneys' presentation reveals lots of lies, and very questionable practices as performed by the BOD under the misdirection of the thankfully gone ED. They represent us. They have never been united in this affair as was told to us by the EDs press releases. What do you think are in those boxes in the courtroom? When the email trail of the MCC starts to be presented you are not going to like what they reveal.
 
Does anyone know if children are allowed to attend?

Yes, as long as they're quiet. But I can't imagine they'd be anything but bored to tears.
 
Wow, none of you are really listening to or understanding the testimony.

Hearing what you want to hear and repeating it doesn't make it true. Good thing there is a judge.


In my experience, this is true of most trials. Most people think they're side is winning particularly if something comes out which is not flattering to the other side. But just because evidence makes a witness look good or bad, what the trier of fact is supposed to do is focus only on the material facts which establish or undermine the elements of a cause of action. And while a testimony could be 16 hours long, it's most likely less than 5 minutes of that testimony which ultimately decides the issue.

In my practice I try to keep my examinations as short as possible and focused on certain points. It's not always possible however, and sometimes you need a long story to set adequate context and give a the judge or jury a feel for the situation. And sometimes the process is slowed down by objections, evasiveness, or misunderstanding of the questions.

But before I became an attorney, I worked as a paralegal for one of the best trial attorneys I've ever met. He's famous for winning a case against Firestone Tires for the poisoning of a community water supply. The defense had one of its experts on the stand and he spent two days discussing his tests which established that only a small portion of the rats acquired cancer from the water, and that the amount was below the established danger threshholds.

When the direct examination was finished, my employer stood up:

Crawford: "Doctor, how many rats did not develop cancer due to the water?"

The doctor gave the answer.

Crawford: "Now, these other rats, they got cancer, right?"

Answer: "Yes."

Crawford: "What caused their cancer?"

Answer: "The water, obviously."

Crawford: "No more questions."

Now what do you think the jurors most easily remembered in the jury room?

But like I said, that's not always appropriate. It works where it works.
 
Susie (to my knowledge) is NOT a CPA she is a garden variety bookkeeper.

Big mistake on everyone's part. Legit and successful business's are wise to utilize the services of a CPA. Actually, I think the Mateel had hired one after Susie and she was a sweet thing that got run off for crunching too many numbers and assigning herself the title of CFO.

It is tough to break the anarchy habit.
 
Anon 9:05

"Pet peeve time
who could care less
shouldn't that read couldn't care less?"

I hate that too. I hear so many people say "I could care less" when they mean they don't care at all which for some reason really bugs me.
 
Susie is not an accountant. Does anyone know if Debra Brooks was deposed?
 
Eric, Do you agree with ALPS analysis of the case?
 
Bill asked her about the pp bookkeeping and I was quite amazed that she and carol had no formula for projecting budget increases year to year.She said it was mainly she and carol getting together to figure the next years reggae budget. And i'll be darned if it didn't sound like they just kind a guess every year because, She repeated herself several times" we have no formula."

A projected budget normally comes from an analysis of the numbers contained in the prior year's General Ledger.

The General Ledger keeps track of all cash/check outlays by numbered catagories; payroll, entertainers, portapotties, garbage fees, law enforcement, Cal-Trans, etc.

When you are involved with augmenting cash outlays with, what has been euphamisically called, SoHum Wampum - wristbands - it makes any real budget projection almost impossible to do.
It's easier to just print up more Wampum and hope that that will cover any additional outlays.

I'm wondering if this is what Mr. Bragg is leading up to with yesterday's questions about the budget with PP's CFO.
We'll find out today.
 
I am a profound Mateel supporter. I am fully on the Mateel side and hope that TD/CB/PB end up in jail. Which is a very possible reality by the way. Having said that the wrist band thing might be a red herring. The question should be: How many different kinds of wrist bands will get you into the event? If a PP sold 12,000 (or whatever amount) general admission wrist bands and told the county/Mateel/everybody concerned that is how many tickets they sold BUT a backstage or vendor or staff or vip or some other type of wristband would let you enter the event without the general admission wrist band then the wrist bands that let you in other than the general admission wristbands have value of whatever the price of a general admission wristband is worth. Also I am sure it would be possible to sell backstage wristbands to people for $20 or more or whatever just so they could get backstage.
 
Eric, Do you agree with ALPS analysis of the case?

I don't know. Every time I think I have a grip on the case, I learn something new. It's a reasonable analysis. That's all I can say.
 
Does anyone know if Debra Brooks was deposed?

This trial is only about the lease dispute. DB's testimony would come later when the rest of the lawsuits go to trial..i think.
 
Anon 11:20 said:

"I am fully on the Mateel side and hope that TD/CB/PB end up in jail. Which is a very possible reality by the way."

Please keep this bullsh*t to yourself. This is not a criminal trial. Nobody is going to jail. Everyone who has been so gung ho about going to trial must realize that this is not going to end here. It will most likely be appealed and drag on until one side or both run out of money. RR 2008 will have already happened and the Mateel will be broke before this is done. Great.
 
If Tom Dimmick loses, I doubt RR will happen, even if there is an appeal filed. Would the county really give permits in that case?
 
ALP is the best you can disregard the rest!
 
I thought the interesting thing about the web of e-mails being sent back and forth between CB and TD, PB was not included in any of the e-mails. Maybe he wasn't as deep into the thing as many people in this community have concluded. Because wouldn't TD be e-mailing him also?
 
Which just goes to show that plenty of people on here spout off lots of crap that they know nothing about...but it's entertaining nonetheless.
 
2:15

Maybe TD and PB talked in person instead, after all, everyone knows emails arent private and can be subpoenaed. So Hummers are very familiar with how to keep things on the down lo.
 
SO,when does big momma take the stand?
 
Anon 12:34 said:

"If Tom Dimmick loses, I doubt RR will happen, even if there is an appeal filed. Would the county really give permits in that case?"

Would that make you happy? Thanks
 
Yes, actually, it would. It's a stolen festival.
 
Amen!
 
Yes actually it would... booo hoo...can you hear the sound of my tiny violin? I am glad the Michael Richardson isn't so sensitive. Just like last year, the county will not revoke the permit. The show will go on... and once again we will have the time of our lives.
 
Keep dreaming, and boogie on if you like. All damages can be made up with $anction$.
 
I just heard Terry's report and couldn't decipher at all what happened today. I hope someone will post a clear summary of what happened today.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Especially if the "tampered" permit is put in evidence.
 
2:54PM, Doesn't make sense since the oblivious (and arrogant) Mr. Dimmick was freely exchanging e-mails with CB.
 
Dear God,
Please let the tampered lease be admitted into evidence.

In the name of Jesus&Jahrastafari,

amen.
 
hey i'm a believer, should that have read,
Dear God,
Please let the tampered PERMIT be admitted into evidence?
either way all requests are humbly submitted
In the name of Jesus&Jahrastafari,

amen.


thanks, a little prayer goes a long way.
 
Hi Friends, a Mateel Legal Fund account has been opened at the credit union. The donations will be used specifically to cover the Mateels legal costs. I don't know the account number off hand but you can just go into the credit union and tell them which account you want to donate to. Alot of people have been donating but the trial will be extended and they need more.
 
Terri's account was fairly accurate of what happened at wed late afternoon trial. After being there, Ican see how it would be very difficult to sum up a whole days worth of testimony in a few minutes. It is not always clear whats going on or what points are relative to include in a news cast.A trial is mostly like a boring trivia show with zillions of sound bites of rather disjointed info, unless your one of the parties involved in the suit. If you really want to know whats going on ----go to the trial then submit a news item to kmud about it. They're looking for reporters.
 
Tom actually did make the statement about a friend of his dads phoning them to warn about boots. It was one of the more long winded statements he made on wed.He was tring very hard to convince the judge that Boots is an unreliable scofflaw and only pp could do the job.
 
Please tell me more about the "tampered" permit. Is this something new? How was it tampered with?
 
White out of Mateel's name. Hard copy exists.
 
i dropped by... couldn't stay long.. and i missed a bunch…
there was coffee/water/mints or something... to the left as you go to sit down.
one can walk in and sit down quietly. Shut the door softly.
You go through the lobby of the Red Lion Inn into a hallway and take a left. Go to the very end and take another left through the door to a conference/convention room.
Inside to the right and in the middle of course is the judge. There are tables set up on each side. A court reporter or someone sits next to the judge. The bookkeeper sat at the end of the table. Large notebooks, many inches thick, are on the table. A glass of water for the bookkeeper sat on the table beside her.
There are two more sections in front with the attorneys for both sides.
there was coffee/water/mints or something... to the left as you go to sit down.
one can walk in and sit down quietly. Shut the door softly
The audience is sitting in a room not quite full. Listening.
the bookkeeper was on the stand. i didn't know the bookkeeper was working for both MCC and PP.
this seems to be a point i see happening over and over.
a MCC member/board member/employee/ who were also employees of PP.
then the lines gets fuzzy. The questions are many by the attorney for MCC while a woman attorney? Name? says in essence he can’t ask that it is supposition .. judge says overruled or something then.. bookkeeper gives a paused answer.
the most i heard from the bookkeeper was "I don't remember."
why would one want a bookkeeper who couldn't remember anything.
the bookkeeper had papers in front of her, signed by her that she typed and sent to someone[s], she can't remember, and each section she wrote she stated she didn't remember.
other questions she answered with a quick yes or no.
atty for MCC kept questioning it seemed to me about the salaries for PP in 2006.
I am not sure if CB was included or separated and PP employees were paid over $400,000 for said event. I just sat there.
Then the atty for MCC asked how much money was budgeted and did PP go over budget on each said item. Yes. Oh, $70,000 here and $17,000 there and $50,000 here. And then I don’t remember, the bookkeeper would say. Or No once in a while. She would look towards CB and CB would look somewhere to the left of the judge.
I think the attorney asked the bookkeeper if she had informed MCC of these overruns?
She said no.
They turned a lot of pages and changed books. I am talking about large books of paperwork. Several people had copies of each. It must have taken a long time to prepare those books.
In the corner of the room are stacks of boxes of more paper work. I don’t know what those are for.
Then everyone went on a break.
We talked with others about this and that. i found the atmosphere to be good. Persons were sitting relaxed about the room. Very quiet.
I had to leave before court started up again from the break as it is a long drive home.
I listened to KMUD news. I didn’t hear the first part of court. At least we had some news. It will take a while for a news dept to rearrange itself. They will get it right. They had some good questions about the proceedings.
I did see Carol with her attorney. And yes, Carol’s hair looked very nice. She had on designer jeans and a blouse/shirt.
 
I am back from Eureka and the Natural Food Store. Can you believe the prices lately? The trial is getting kind of boring, but there were some interesting things. Suzy and Carol testified today. Suzy seemed OK. I cant say I saw anything that seemed to help one side or the other, but some of the issues are hard to follow. Things got more interesting with Carol. At times I thought she seemed to be doing well but then sometimes she said things that just seemed hard to believe. I also got the impression that she was clearly working for numero uno and for Tom but I saw nothing to suggest that she actually felt she worked for Mateel or was supposed to be looking out for Mateel. The only things that seemed to be for Mateel's benefit were things that helped her and Tom too. She tried to explain why she helped Tom get a Lease on the Arthur's French's Camp instead of helping Mateel get the Lease. She gave a long explanation that seemed contrived and illogical. She did not even tell Mateel about the Lease issue on Frenchs Camp. She exhibits great hatred for Taunya. She and Tom seem united on an "its all Taunya's fault" theme. Yet when she was asked about what Mateel actually did to make her want out she was pretty good when describing in generalizations and characterizations, but when asked specifics it came accross as pretty weak. She alleged that Taunya told her that Mateel wanted to not be so dependent on Reggae on the River and wanted to diversify and Carol claimed that scared her into thinking Mateel wanted to cost her her job. She seemed, and I hate to have to say this, like she was either stupid as can be or outright lying. But she seemed so smart at other times that I thought she must be lying. She seemed like she was trying to exaggerate and fabricate to justify her less than loyal service to Mateel. Sometimes I felt sorry for Taunya getting raked over the coals by Tom and Carol but some of it seems so absurd that I am not so sure they are convincing the judge that Taunya did anything wrong so much as they are just trying to justify what they did. At one point Carol admitted that she advised Tom to demand his rent money within 24 hours from Mateel. Now she was working for Mateel? Not from what I saw. If she was trying to convince the judge that she really worked for Tom, she did a good job.

It is hard to follow alot of the issues. I wish Bragg had given an opening statement as to where he was going that might have helped me. But he does seem to be proving that Carol and Tom were out to get everything they could from Mateel and simply move on without Mateel once it was cash strapped. Their claimed justifcations for doing so seem paper thin, but I do not know what legal significance it has in a contract dispute. Did Carol really have the right to just stop looking out for the Mateel? Did she owe Mateel anything since she was their Reggae producer? If she wins it must mean no beacuse believe me she has made it clear that she would not give Mateel a scrap from her table if it was starving.
 
Is Carol back on the stand tomorrow?
 
I saw nothing to suggest that she was done.
 
If this last post is accurate, then my belief that Carol Bruno is a bitch, greedy, and selfish, has been a correct assessment of her.
 
You know what. It just came to me. My impression was that Carol considered Mateel as a bank that had to be paid back with a little interest but beyond that was owed nothing.
 
Well this observer did not see "bitch" but I did see selfish or a sense of entitlement. Could it be that when Mateel quit worshipping her and quit accepting whatever minimum she was willing to give she had to get rid of Mateel. I would bet that Tom was very deferential to her and seemed liked a perfect new patron for her services.
 
I thought Susie M. was the most forthcoming witness we've seen so far, although her cross examination has been put off until Knowles puts her on the stand for his case. On July 11th the MCC was looking at receiving 300,000 or more. It didn't work out. There were huge overruns on contractors, subcontractors, payroll, and supplies. TS wanted monthly reports in GAAP accounting form. SM didn't know it and preferred efficiency. State requires GAAP. The only wristband issue discussed was the overselling of the event. TS said she wanted legal laws and CUP regulations abided by. SM said they never had been and if TS insisted either PP would not do show or MCC could absorb 450,000 loss. Production contract modified to remove compliance with laws and permits. No one looks to good there folks.
I really don't care to discuss Carol's appearance today, maybe when I am more clear in my head. We haven't really gotten to the major stuff anyway. I discovered that watching the picadors prepare the bull is not a sport I enjoy. I wish some of her friends who aren't witnesses would come for support purposes, unless she'd rather not. I'm not saying she didn't have a big hand in it all, I'm just saying it ceased to be fun.
Fun note of the day. SM said she met with TS and a board member, Rainbow Mountainwalker. The judge asked for a repeat, then smiled and just kept typing.
 
Examples of how Taunya was getting raked over the coals by Tom and Carol and some of the absurd things they said?
 
When did CB supposedly start working for Tom?
 
so you could take what Sm said about either pp won't do the show, or lose the $450,000 as a threat.
 
TS said she wanted legal laws and CUP regulations abided by. SM said they never had been and if TS insisted either PP would not do show or MCC could absorb 450,000 loss. Production contract modified to remove compliance with laws and permits. No one looks to good there folks.

And Dimmick was concerned about Boots? I think the judge will see Tom’s bullshit for what it is after hearing from the People’s Productions own “bookkeeper” how little PP cared about following the law and rules of the CUP and Carol’s ability to keep a budget etc. Hahahahahahahahahaha. By now you have to believe the judge thinks Tom’s excuse for not wanting Boots to do the show was not valid. ROTFLMAO
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (Wiping tears from my eyes)
Why would The Mateel ever want to get a new producer (rhetorical question)? Oh Jeez!!!!
 
i love our judge!
 
Carol claimed taunya said to not go past her and communicate with the board. I got the impression that Taunya probably said to quit trying to bypass her and go straight to the board but I doubt Taunya either meant that under no cicumstances could she communicate with anyone else or that Carol dutifully obeyed. But Carol used that as an excuse for not commuicating with Mateel on important issues. It seemed very phony. I was embarassed for Carol. It really was that absurd.

There was much more but I am sick of it all.
 
Any of this available on Youtube? Garth? Or are cameras not allowed?
 
8:38 PM
Go slash some water on your face and come back and report. This is no time to get “sick of it”.

Am I getting this correct? Carol was bad mouthing Taunya because Taunya wanted Carol to report to Taunya and not the BOD? It seems to me that whoever was producing would report to Taunya because she was the Executive Director of the Mateel Community Center. It would then be Taunya’s job to report to the BOD. If Carol was putting Taunya down because of this then the judge is not going to think very highly of Sister Carol.
 
slash? Sorry.
splash splash splash splash
 
So I've heard a couple of accounts of Susie's testimony. Apparently she admitted straight out that they did not report overruns to the Mateel. I seem to remember that written reports were part of the contract I refused to sign. Was it in the new one? And if so, was the failure to report on the overruns a breach? A material breach?

And would that alone excuse the lease provision with Tom assuming that it's interpreted his way?

Curious.
 
Am I getting this correct? Carol was bad mouthing Taunya because Taunya wanted Carol to report to Taunya and not the BOD? It seems to me that whoever was producing would report to Taunya because she was the Executive Director of the Mateel Community Center. It would then be Taunya’s job to report to the BOD. If Carol was putting Taunya down because of this then the judge is not going to think very highly of Sister Carol.

Shortly before I came onto the Board, PP demanded direct access to the Board. They didn't want a committee, and they sure didn't want to have to deal with an E.D. So I'm curious what made it into the subsequent contracts.
 
Anon 8:38 your preaching to the choir. I hear ya. That is what Carol said. It did sound dumb as can be.
 
from anon Thu Jan 31, 08:50:00 PM:

"Am I getting this correct? Carol was bad mouthing Taunya because Taunya wanted Carol to report to Taunya and not the BOD?"

Well, if Taunya had been an honest and truthfull liason between the two entities, and if she had acted as an agent to facilitate good communication between PP and MCC, we might not find ourselves where we are today.

Taunya resisted and ignored most, if not all overtures from former MCC staff, former MCC board members, PP, and PP's staff, and ROTR employees working for PP. Many of those mentioned above endeavored to keep her (Taunya) in the loop for updates of each year's event. Many of us tried to include her in emailed progress reports. She never responded to said reports. (at least mine - and many other coordinators reported the same frustration) After no response, and no feedback from Taunya, I for one stopped bothering to send reports. I had to ask myself, if Taunya was not bothering to respond to my emails, is she bothering to pass this info on the the Board of Directors?

When things came to a head in 2006, it was pretty clear to me that Taunya had not been giving the board the whole story. She may have had really good reasons for this, I realize. But on another level, just as a local trying to welcome a newcomer, I felt really sad about the way things have turned out. Many other ROTR volunteers and coordinators have expressed a similar sadness when I have spoken with them over the years. Many of us tried to reach out to Taunya, welcome her to the community, and support the work she was trying to do at the MCC. We were all pretty much ignored or blown off by her. We were only trying to help her, welcome her, and be supportive. She was, after all, taking over leadership of an organization we have all supported for 30 plus years.

If Taunya had opened her heart to the community (and not just a select few at the community center) she might still be ED, the MCC might be in the black, and we might, as a community in unity, be producing the 25th Annual Reggae on the River, which is what I wish, deep in my heart, would be happening come August.
 
From what I have heard, the problem was not that Taunya was not giving the full story to the board, but that she was giving the full story and Carol could not stand the fact that anything she did or wanted was no longer kosher.
 
Eric,
I don't know about breaches really but yes it was in the contract that they were supposed to both report overruns and get okays for projected overruns. Susie seemed to feel this was just another one of Taunya and Bob's pesky attempts at unwanted scrutiny. The reports were supposed to be monthly, she did them sort of quarterly-as in there were 4 reports over the year. Nor were the areas of overrun lined out, they were just general categories.
Don't think lines of communication were delineated in contract. MCC had just received the reality bottom line, Taunya had to leave town, as a guess no one wanted to have a bunch of divide and conquer games happeniing.
 
Come on ! This trouble started years before Taunya was e.d. Her main fault was not being cowed wanting things above board.
Ps. the new thai/ vietnamese restaurant where bless my soul used to be( just down from the courthouse on 4th) has quite good food at very reasonable prices. At last good thai food in humboldt county!!!
 
Thu Jan 31, 09:34:00 PM

an ANON coordinator with the full scoop ..of crap!
 
an ANON coordinator with the full scoop ..of crap! (courtesy of Thu Jan 31, 10:05:00 PM)

ummm, no. Just a three-decade resident of sohum, with 2 + decades of service to MCC... and lots of hope and dreams about our community finding a path to be healthy and happy. I'd rather find common ground, and move forward together, for the common good. Want to join me, or would you rather burn some witches at the stake, and throw some neighbors in jail?
 
Well, if Taunya had been an honest and truthfull liason between the two entities, and if she had acted as an agent to facilitate good communication between PP and MCC, we might not find ourselves where we are today.

Gee, that sounds exactly like the criticism of Katherine. And our subsequent E.D.

See, it's like my experience as a kid. I had a battery operated Star Trek phaser toy. When the batteries went dead I went to my parents' stash of batteries to replace them. But they didn't work. So I tried another two. They didn't work either. I think it was about the third try that I figured out that maybe the problem wasn't with the batteries and I realized I was putting them in wrong.

You know, I didn't work with Taunya so I can't speak to Carol/Susie/Tom's experience with her. But I remember how Katherine was treated and I was appalled. I found some of the attacks on her to be extremely harsh, sexist, and all-around inappropriate.

Just my take on my experience.
 
Do you believe they did something to warrant jail time?
 
Eric,
Carol did inform us today that prior to Taunya, and even then later Taunya, she and all Mcc ED's were one big happy family. The big problem was the ever changing board members and even that she wouldn't describe as rocky except occasionally. Any body willing to step up and change that perception would be more than welcome as a brief witness. For real.
 
Eric said at Thu Jan 31, 10:30:00 PM"

"You know, I didn't work with Taunya so I can't speak to Carol/Susie/Tom's experience with her. But I remember how Katherine was treated and I was appalled. I found some of the attacks on her to be extremely harsh, sexist, and all-around inappropriate.

Just my take on my experience."

Eric, I know that Kathryn was undermined by some of her own staff, and perhaps by PP as well.

But the stuff falling apart within the MCC was probably more a factor in her leaving the organization.

I have so much respect for the things she managed to do at MCC during her tenure. I don't think anyone ever had as much success as Kathryn when it came to writing (and securing!) grants. She also managed to do some amazing networking with other agencies. The Youth Program, which she initiated, was probably the most pro-active youth outreach we've ever seen here in so hum. Her grants also helped launch the success of recycled youth. The grant money initially payed Joani Rose, Barbara Penny, and Andy Barnett a handsome wage... and when the economy started tanking, and the grant money dried up, Joani and Barbara tried to make do with what the community could come up with in funding from business sponsors.

I also remember the youth snowboarding trips, canoe trips, etc. that Kathryn managed to set up.

Politics sucks, when it can sink a local, and vital organization. But from everything I've heard over that past 10 plus years, PP isn't the only reason Kathryn left MCC. There was grumbling within the MCC that was at least as bad as the reggae negotiations. I don't pretend to know what caused the grumbling.
 
9:34,
Well I guess you got the witches part right. But for someone who is the first one to correct others spelling, you need to learn how to spell truthful not "truthfull".

And for all of the vitriol you and your partner have spewed for the last year and a half, no one believes in your fictitious sincerity.
Your time here has nothing to do with anything that resembles what your respect could/should have been if you hadn't started your campaign of superiority and hate for the people who have been your friends and neighbors for however long you claim to have been here.
You want ROTR 25? Go talk to Tom and his lawyer. I'm sure he will tell you that there is no agreement between CB & TD.
You want Unity? It is on some old crumpled up banner that had lost it's meaning along time ago when the elitist, class system, and egotists, infiltrated the meaning behind ROTR and became a norm. There is no Jah Rastafari in your version of unity. Grow up and get over yourself.
 
Yeah I know, "a long", not along.
 
Do you believe they did something to warrant jail time?

I haven't seen any evidence of anything like that. This is a civil matter.
 
10:56 - yes, it was a combination of factors. I'm just saying that there isn't a good history of the community's treatment of Mateel E.D.s I wouldn't want the job.
 
11:05 is apparently confusing 9:34 with someone else, who was certainly not me (9:34) and all the stuff about vitriol, etc., is lost on me.

I made a typo and said "truthfull" instead of "truthful". Oops, and so sorry.

I am confused as to who is my alleged partner, and how me, and my imaginery partner have done any damage locally.

Just another example of people making the wrong assumption, and jumping to conclusions. Oh well.
 
He's probably talking about me. I have many partners!
 
I guess anger got the most of me.
If I'm wrong about who I assumed you to be, I apologize. So much for anononimity.
I guess that is what happens when community members do not trust each other enough to sign our own names.
That is why I dislike the word unity so much. When neighbors don't/can't trust neighbors. That isn't Unity.
After all these years, is this is what it comes down to?
 
I haven't seen any evidence of anything like that. This is a civil matter.

How many extra wrist bands unaccounted for over how many years with how many folks working for nothing equals civility?

How many musical groups & others accepted fees set upon false attendance/income figures? Are there no shades of criminality when it comes to misrepresentation and stealing?
 
So after 16 months of this craziness you are saying it is because Taunya didn’t answer your emails? Why hasn’t this “whole story” been said before now? Why wasn’t the story told at the Mateel Meeting in 2006? Carol/PP/PB have a huge reputation of trying to keep the Mateel out of the loop as far a Reggae was concerned. “My way or the highway” is what Carol’s attitude has always been. There are many who have hit the highway too. I’m glad Taunya stood up to Carol and her ilk. Maybe you wish this would be the 25th Reggae on the River but the people behind the production absolutely did not/do not/will never want the Mateel involved in Reggae on the River. Their actions and words and deeds speak for themselves.

You may want to find common ground but unless your head has been in the sand for about 20 (or more) of those 30 years you would know that many many people who have tried to work for common ground with Carol Bruno at the Mateel have been pushed out. The people who worked for the Mateel tried and tried to find common ground but the goal posts were ALWAYS moved.
 
Let me get this right 10:56. Kathryn did pretty well for the Mateel and the community but she had people problems. So now we have Taunya and Kathryn with people problems or some other type of problem that the Mateel people and the Carol people just could not deal with. So what was wrong with Barb Truitt? After we find out how troublesome Mrs. Truitt was we will move on to the next person but one at a time.
 
Eric's cancerous rats story got me thinking about focus. One of the reasons the MCC is having so many problems with infrastructure value is that although PP was supposed to report all asset costs incurred by MCC in excess of 1,000 MS didn't keep track of site improvements, or really anything, in that category. Of course Carol knows nothing about it because that's why she has a bookkeeper. She also neither reads nor understands the contracts she signs, not that the lawyers could make any sense of that paragraph either.
 
Eric's cancerous rats story got me thinking about focus. One of the reasons the MCC is having so many problems with infrastructure value is that although PP was supposed to report all asset costs incurred by MCC in excess of 1,000 MS didn't keep track of site improvements, or really anything, in that category. Of course Carol knows nothing about it because that's why she has a bookkeeper. She also neither reads nor understands the contracts she signs, not that the lawyers could make any sense of that paragraph either.
 
Barb Truitt? Don't EVEN get me started!
 
Ok for Barb Truitt. She is probably a no good lecherous scum like the others anyway. Let’s move on to Carol Bruno. It seems that Carol drove Carol Bruno out too. People problems? Could Carol not get along with Carol? Did Carol not want Carol to go directly to the BOD and only deal with Carol? Did Carol demand too much from Carol? After all Carol was just trying to help the Mateel. What did Carol expect from Carol? Maybe Carol was not telling the BOD everything Carol wanted Carol to tell them? Maybe Carol made it impossible for Carol to conduct business because Carol would not return Carol’s notes (no emails in those days)? Did Carol not agree with Carol that the Mateel should not be a production company? I’ll bet it was Carol’s fault that Carol was forced to go start her own production company because Carol made it impossible for Carol to both run the Mateel and put on an event that only somebody like Carol could do and besides only Carol had the Rolodex. And since it was Carol’s Rolodex how could the Mateel ever expect to use the telephone? Only Carol could do that!
So who else could not do a good enough job besides Taunya, Kathryn, Barb, and Carol?
 
Margaret, stop hitting the post key twice. Give it a chance to post.
It seems from the reports on the KMUD news and on this blog that there was a CRIMINAL conspiracy to steal the main asset of a non-profit. The State Attorney General (Jerry Brown) is charged with protecting the assets of non-profits. maybe it will go there after the evidence is brought out in depositions and testimony at the trial.
 
We realize this is a civil matter before the court right now but wouldn’t conspiring to defraud a nonprofit origination be a criminal matter?
 
It's "organization" dumbass.
 
8:34 You are a total embarassment. Barb Truitt is not someone you have reason to attack. I have an idea for you. Attack the attackers like mr too pissed off to sign his name. Or would that be attacking yourself?
 
How many extra wrist bands unaccounted for over how many years with how many folks working for nothing equals civility?

How many musical groups & others accepted fees set upon false attendance/income figures? Are there no shades of criminality when it comes to misrepresentation and stealing?


If you're saying there's been fraud, then that could be a jailable offense if someone is guilty. But nobody has yet testified about fraud and I don't think it'll come up in this case. What people say "everybody knows" is not evidence. I've heard many stories, but I've personally seen no evidence.
 
There a MCC BOD member removed from the court room by the MCCs own lawyer because he was acing like a hiney? Why does that not surprise us?
 
There was a typo typo typo BOD member removed.
 
If you're saying there's been fraud, then that could be a jailable offense if someone is guilty. But nobody has yet testified about fraud and I don't think it'll come up in this case. What people say "everybody knows" is not evidence. I've heard many stories, but I've personally seen no evidence.

Let's see. Last year there was FINALLY a truly independent head counter to determine when capacity was reached. Folks had never seen such a small crowd in decades. The brutal evidence stared everyone in the face. Case closed.

Who manufactured the wrist bands and have their records been scrutinized as far back as possible, and if not, why not?
 
9:23 AM
8:34 here. My post was tongue in cheek. I was responding to the PP side feeling in a sense that every person who has run the Mateel has not been good enough for Carol Bruno. It was said that Taunya and Kathryn were problematic. Then somebody asked what was the problem with Barb Truitt and then somebody said something about “Don’t even get me started”. I took that as a negative even though it was probably meant to be the stories about how Barbara was treated by Ms. Bruno. Who knows? I thought by saying “no good lecherous scum like the others” would tip off anybody that it was being sarcastic. The point is that Carol cannot seem to work with anybody with oversight at the Mateel. There is always a complaint that whoever she deals with are incompetent assholes that cannot get along and toe her line. From what I know about Barb Truitt she is a very good, competent, able person who does well with everything she gets involved in which is usually for the betterment of the community.
Sincerely, Anon #143992 at 8:34
 
Kathryn Manspeaker was the best ED the Mateel ever had. I actually cried when she resigned. And I remember being very angry and upset that it was because of pp and cb. Maybe Kathryn could be asked to come up on the stand to do a short testimony.
 
There a MCC BOD member removed from the court room by the MCCs own lawyer because he was acing like a hiney? Why does that not surprise us?

Did this happen this morning? Because I'm not aware that this happened yesterday.
 
Maybe Michal DeLeon could do a short testimony. Didn't he resign when Kathryn did, because of pp's tactics?
 
Anon 10:00 am said:

"Let's see. Last year there was FINALLY a truly independent head counter to determine when capacity was reached. Folks had never seen such a small crowd in decades. The brutal evidence stared everyone in the face. Case closed."

That is such BS. There may have been fewer people than last year, but that was because the limit was reduced. The concert bowl at Dimmick's is about 1/3 the size as the old space, so of course it won't get as crowded.

If you are trying to make a case against PP for overselling the event, the Mateel is just as guilty.
 
and throw some neighbors in jail?

Neighbor or no, if the fool does the crime the fool should do the time.

Or is that too harsh for this land of no laws? God! You people grow a little weed, and the next thing ya know neighbors and friends are gettin ripped off, kidnapped, brutalized, threatened, and harassed. And all that people can say is 'don' call the cops' and 'you can't send our neighbors to jail'

I am sick of it. Any low life loud mouth lost souls with NO character that want to perpetrate any crimes better think twice, because some of us have an appreciation for integrity, respect, and the need for a society, and community (if it is to remain healthy and strong) to abide by basic moral codes. Pretty simple.

Spin that.
 
Eric. Joe Hiney was asked to leave the proceedings yesterday, Thursday, by Bill Bragg.

Apparently when Susie and Carol were on the stand he was making disparaging statements under his breath. Also during one of the breaks he stood close to Carol and made a few more libelous utterances. It was after this that Bill Bragg asked that he leave and not come back as he could potentially harm the MCC case.
 
2000 less tickets sold as required by the PC, equals 1/2 the crowd? Well, just ask anyone that was there, the bowl was vacant. Ask the food venders that were forced to dump excess food, and retail vendors that brought in 1/2 their usual amount. Just 2000 less patrons creating that huge of void? OK that makes sense. Not.
 
Hey Anon 10:38:00 AM

Can't you get it through your thick skull that THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL! Nobody is going to go to jail. There isn't the slightest chance. Get it?
 
The quality of money is not strained,
It blesseth she who giveth and she who taketh it away - all the wayeth to the banky.
 
Anon 10:48:00 AM:

Your logic is baffling. The crowd was not 1/2 of the past. I have been to every show since 1990 and I can tell you with certainty that there was a full house last year. The bowl was far more full than even the first year at Dimmick's. Of course it is not going to fill up like when it was at the Arthurs... the bowl is about 3X the size. The fact that the vendors didn't sell out is mainly because the bowl is too big and arranged poorly so is not very conducive to walking around and shopping, however that doesn't mean there was
a void.
I am not sure what your point is anyways, but your "facts" are way off.
 
Apparently when Susie and Carol were on the stand he was making disparaging statements under his breath. Also during one of the breaks he stood close to Carol and made a few more libelous utterances. It was after this that Bill Bragg asked that he leave and not come back as he could potentially harm the MCC case.

My understanding is that he's there today.
 
If you are trying to make a case against PP for overselling the event, the Mateel is just as guilty.

How so? The Mateel hasn't had any say on how the event has been run since the contract I didn't sign.
 
Maybe Michal DeLeon could do a short testimony. Didn't he resign when Kathryn did, because of pp's tactics?

No, actually he resigned at the time because he was having some health problems.
 
Maybe the Mateel was not as guilty as PP for overselling the event, but they were at least complacent. According to Margaret's statement "Production contract modified to remove compliance with laws and permits." When faced with the projected loss of revenue, the Mateel agreed to disregard the attendance restrictions.
 
I wonder what made TS make that decision. It sounded like another threat from pp, in a long line of years of threats, that WE WON'T DO THE SHOW UNLESS YOU DO IT MY/CB WAY. TS I can only imagine what a predicament to be in. What state agency would you have to involve to make a decision of that scope, as far as putting in the compliance laws, or having pp quit, and face the task of trying to replace pp who has told us for years that they are the only ones capable of doing ROTR. I would not want to be TS, I feel she had a big burden with all of CBs crap, and pb, and the rest of the pp gang.
 
That's right, 11:48, if Carol had just kept shoveling them the money the Mateel would have kept not quite calling her to account. That, I think, is the measure of the Mateel's corruption. What's PP's measure?
 
P.S.- Why is it always the MCC that faced the loss of $$$$, and NEVER pp?
 
Well imagine that...the Mateel only started to care about the rules being broken when they stopped getting paid...
 
"P.S.- Why is it always the MCC that faced the loss of $$$$, and NEVER pp?"

Because the Mateel foolishly signed a contract that allowed that to happen. I'm not saying that they deserve it, but they could have prevented it.
 
First Taunya wanted laws an regulations abided by or PP would not do the show so the PP contract had to be modified to remove compliance with laws and permits (Jan 31, 08:12 PM). Carol got what she wanted and now the Mateel were complacent yet hard to work with. When was that contract modified? A few weeks before the event? And if the Mateel ever asked questions they were micromanaging something they knew nothing about. This is too funny.
 
Why in the world would The Mateel ever consider changing promoters? I can’t imagine.




Oh wait… I know, I know. Taunya secretly wanted to start a production company with all the contacts she had made over time and was going to quit, as obviously she has done. Taunya and Justin and Garth with Bob as their accountant, were going to take over Reggae on the River as their own and then eliminate the Mateel. Yeah, that’s it.
Just wait. It is going to all come out in court.
 
Joe Hiney was not asked to leave because of any misbehavior in court or out. He left the first day because he was listed as a potential witness like many others. After his name was dropped from the witness list he came back to court. He then left to help staighten out the pile of scrambled papers that PP and TD handed over during discovery. The same behavior by TS that Knowles (TD's attorney) complained so much about the first day. ("kitchen sink motion" to throw out everything but the kitchen sink).
 
By the way... just because someone writes into a contract that state laws and permits don't have to be adhered to, doesn't make it legal. The laws are the laws and the permits are the permits. The only way not to have to comply with the details within, are to change the laws and the permits. I think too many people for too long have been makin up their own rules for too long and thinking that they are above basic requirements.
 
There may have been fewer people than last year, but that was because the limit was reduced. The concert bowl at Dimmick's is about 1/3 the size as the old space, so of course it won't get as crowded.

If you are trying to make a case against PP for overselling the event, the Mateel is just as guilty.


I'm not talking about the bowl at prime time. A case does not need to be made in a situation that is patently obvious. The whole area last year was thinned out very noticeably. It was back to human scale at long last.

PP ran with the event unimpeded by bothersome oversight and ethics. They were so sloppy with their graft they are clueless to how much they actually mis-appropriated and the ramifications thereof. Memory holes help comfort the guilty conscience.

Blaming the victims is about as low as one can go but it fits right in with the spineless arrogance and selfishness displayed in droves by those whose conceits created fiasco from success.
 
Remember this is only about the lease we still have the pp mcm trial
 
The account at the Community Credit Union in G'ville for the Mateel's legal expenses is 13597.
 
Agreed, the area was thinned out a little. It was a little disappointing, but still mainly due to the huge increase of spaces for camping and parking. 2008 will hopefully have more people and they will deal with the layout of the bowl so the vendors don't get screwed again.
 
erik
could TD be held accountabler for slandering boots/2b1 in court with not a single fact to back up any of his statements?
 
Fri Feb 01, 10:56:00 AM

..never said it was a criminal trial. i have a low tolerance for crimes that impact others and i just think if people want to be stupid, they should be rewarded.jail time? bring it on. if you'd bothered to read my post you'd notice i spoke in broad general terms re:the criminality of our community. my thick skull is well aware that this in not a criminal trial..yet. thanks for another supportive uplifting exchange on the blog.
 
2:59

OK i guess I was wrong in my assumption that you were the same person who does think that there is some potential that people will end up in jail after this trial and keeps saying stuff like "I hope that TD/CB/PB end up in jail. Which is a very possible reality by the way."

You were posting on a forum about a lease dispute in which you state that "if the fool does the crime the fool should do the time." Am I completely off base in inferring that you believe that someone in this case deserves incarcerations?
Kidnapping, brutalizing, and threatening people are criminal offenses and should not be compared to this situation. What is going on here is a business dispute and whether anyone is violating your "basic moral codes" is pure conjecture.
 
One reason people are so angry about this is because it was done to the Community Center. By definition it is part of the Community. This whole thing has been done to the Community. The Community Center does not take it’s money and go on vacations. It is there for the Community. For sure the Community Center has made mistakes in the past. Maybe they did not spend some money wisely. I don’t see where they have ever done anything financially sinister yet they have been treated like shit just because they were looking out for their biggest asset. There are many people who disagree with a lot of things but with so many people there are some many ideas. Even with all these people’s ideas none of them were trying to rip off the Community Center like what seems to have happened with PP. PP and TD made some big money. They deserved it because they did a pretty good job but they do not deserve to push the Community Center off of their biggest fundraiser. As it is turning out the Mateel has been pushed and pushed and pushed for years and years. All would have been fine if the greedy didn’t get more and more greedy. How could these people think that the Community would just take it?
Sorry for rambling. I was just trying to grasp why so many people are so upset. Why so many people in the community have such strong opinions. Why people are driving 150 miles a day in the snow to see these proceedings. Why people are hanging on to the radio at night to hear what happened. Why people have given up long term friendships because of this. Just trying to figure out why so many people are so passionate about this subject.
 
could TD be held accountabler for slandering boots/2b1 in court with not a single fact to back up any of his statements?

Not really. It's called litigation privilege. Besides, an opinion is not actionable as slander so long as it's stated as such.
 
I would like to ask about the comment that someone who was at the trial said that CB says she doesn't understand the books, that's why she has a bookkeeper, she doesn't understand contracts or things written by lawyers, so why is she in business?
 
2/1/08 trial observations

Witnesses should answer only the question asked and not ramble on. It seemed like TS weakened one of her answers by rambling on after the question was answered.

The morning session was notable for how often Ms. Bruno testified, "I don't remember." She seemed evasive. Her extremely well dressed attorneys made a lot of objections and seemed to be trying to keep out relevant information Bragg was eliciting from witnesses. Bragg was dapper in his grey pinstripes.

Bob Stern looked rather distinguished with his touches of grey, sporting off-white trousers, a blue, black and grey plaid shirt and hiking boots.

Carol Bruno wore tall black boots under her new blue jeans, which this fashion-challenged reporter thinks were "designer" jeans (only the best for CB). She wore a dark green jacket to complete her ensemble. She scowled a lot and her hair was actually ratty.

The afternoon session was remarkable for the fact that CB was seated alone in the back row of the hearing room WITH HER FEET UP ON A CHAIR placed sideways in front of her. If she adopted that posture in a regular Courtroom most judges would have interrupted the proceedings and warned her that she would be held in contempt of Court if she did not take her feet off the furniture.

This trial is the closest thing to high theatre we have going on right now. All puns intended.

Illegitimi non carborundum (Don't let the bastards grind you down).
 
3:57 said: Just trying to figure out why so many people are so passionate about this subject.

Perhaps it is because a loving and trusted friend for so many years turns out to be a thieving conniving swindler. Some of us are heartbroken. After having been used and abused and taken in for so many years, you soon become oblivious to the outrages taking place yearly in the MCC ROTR saga. So many good friends have fought the good fight, and fallen by the wayside with little support. Finally, a group of individuals stand up and say enough is enough. The theft is so blatant and audacious, that you develop a sincere hatred for the principal players and their 62traitorous cohorts. Yes, it's true, if you help someone steal, then you are complicit and you are a thief yourself. No wonder you folks can't hold your head up when walking down the street. Old friends do not even say "Hello" any longer. So sad. Sister Carol will always be remembered for the "Rape of the Mateel". Let it be her epitaph.
 
4:44 said:

"After having been used and abused and taken in for so many years....."

This is such BS and it is getting so old. You were not abused. You were not ripped off. You were not robbed or swindled by PP. Nobody stole anything and nobody raped anyone or anything.

Your community may have gotten a bad deal because they were at the wrong end of a bad business arrangement, but that is all this is. You don't strengthen your argument by throwing around accusatory insults.
 
After Taunya was demonized so thoroughly by TD, it's amazing how cogent and smart she seems. Wonder what the judge must think?
 
Amen to that, 4:44
 
I am amazed at how well you summed it up. How smart she seems. Get ready for that to unravel.
 
5:01, I'm sorry, but you tick me off. No matter how many times a profiteer may say, "Yer honor, I did it for the money," and a judge reply "Oh, in that case not guilty," most people who will not do anything for money will continue to use human morality, not your business morality, to reach their conclusions. Do you think the smelly ends of business arrangements are acts of God? I think they're acts of people I better warn my children against.
 
5:24pm, You mean the way TD unraveled and had his testimony impeached?
 
5:35 that is fine because you tick me off too.
There is no difference between "business morality" and "human morality". Business is based on the idea that self-interest and the desire for profit are moral and good. Capitalism is a system of relationships where business transactions takes place by mutual agreement for perceived mutual advantage. It is not to the advantage of any business to act "immorally".
When the relationships started to break down, then the mutual advantage was compromised.
Many people keep implying that they were personally ripped off or someone stole something from them when in fact all this is is a relationship between a business and an organization that deteriorated. Working for a non-profit does not necessarily make you a morally superior person. I am sure both sides contributed to the breakdown in the relationship, but just because the business is trying to continue to profit does not mean it stole something. It formed another relationship that was more mutually beneficial. It remains to be seen whether that arrangement was illegal.
 
Except that Carol had a fudiciary duty as a contracted agent to ensure the best interests of the Mateel... not Tom Dimmicks.
 
Anon 6:39 you say that "Except that Carol had a fudiciary duty as a contracted agent to ensure the best interests of the Mateel... not Tom Dimmicks."

The only person to say that that seems to know what he/she was talking about was ALP, but there was no mention of that in the summary judgment ruling and Carol seemed to just brazenly admit facts that suggest she seems confident she had no such fiduciary duty so I am left wondering if that is really an issue in this case. Carol seemed not the least concerned when she admitted to helping Tom get the French's Camp lease and when instructing him to demand his $33,000 in 24 hours. Maybe the fiduciary duty is some techinicality that the Judge does not care about.
 
who was ALP? was ALP recently diseased attorney Jim Fahey? anyone know? is ALP dead? (or just tongue-tied?) do you know RW?
 
It is not right to speculate as to who any anon is. Freedom of Speech is not free if we out people. Who wants to be outed and hated by one side or the other? If that happens, then speech was not so free was it?
 
ALP died and he will never post here again.
 
After hearing such horrid things about the demon Taunya, I was pleasantly surprised to see how articulate, clear, reasonable, and believable she was. Miles away from Carol's petulant answers earlier. Funny how much better Taunya's memory was than Carol's,too.
 
Where is Margaret? I want my trial update and I want it now.
 
You can spin it any way you want to 6:16. Many people justifiably feel CB/TC ripped off The Mateel Community Center. Therefore we feel that we were ripped off. The thieving business that is trying to continue to profit is doing so with the community’s property that they took from the community without the community’s permission. Call it what you want. I call it a rip off!!!!!! At the very least these slimeballs used the Mateel’s property to put on the event last year and have refused to pay for the use. Rip off!!! TD even said he felt entitled to take the Mateel’s $33,000 and not give it back. Since his reason had nothing to do with the money he won’t pay back I call it a rip off. Both of them are putting on an event that the Mateel Community Center…….. Oh forget it. Why bother?
 
Hey mama and papa lovers get a grip on your old typewriter and make it easy on the plastic people by using a nickname. all the anonymous numbering system is so clumsy Use a different nickname each time if your want or try to use the same' til you get tired of it.
Suzy Creamcheese.
 
What I can't believe was Susie's testimony. She doesn't use GAAP? She doesn't feel compelled to abide by contracts? How many organizations and people does she do books for? Do they know that? And she's the president of Rotary? Is that appropriate after learning all we've learned about her?
 
Deceased or diseased?
 
Start typing Maragret or I am going to pull a Donald Trump and say "you're fired."
 
I'm not sure how late the proceedings were going tonight, but I think they may have gone later than 5:30. The judge said his flight wasn't until 8:15 and could stay later.Margaret probably needed to eat and isn't home yet. Relax.
 
9:23,
Just another blog I did not write.
 
All right. I guess she deserves a break. Sorry Margaret.
 
Can't she eat after she reports here?
 
ALP whoever he of she is is the only person who has said anything about fiduciary obligation. Everyone else just jumped on board with that analysis because it sounded right.
The fact that a business relationship comes into being between two parties does not mean that either owes a fiduciary obligation to the other. If one person engages or employs another and thereafter directs or supervises or approves his actions, the person so employed is not a fiduciary.
 
I dont think so you closet peopleista. Carol spent money on Mateel's behalf and was Mateel's agent for putting the Reggae show. I think ALPie was spot on.
 
hey! I went to the trial today! well after costco CR target and Pachanga. i saw carol coming out of Rita's but i really recommend Pachanga. i was so bored that i left after about ten minutes. i waved to anna b, nodded to carol (she said hi- poor dear seems really stressed), got to meet margaret ( she asked me if i was Mr Greenjeans) and grill her (couldn't get anything out of her, not that she wasn't trying, out in the hallway), then got out of there. the usual suspects of mateel supporters were there, the judge seemed smart and funny, and TS was on the stand.
yawn...
 
who's usin my name in vain.
whatta pain ghetta life dont be brief in yur belief Ripoff slipoff into the dark
Coulda maid yur mark.
Butta you listen to da shark.
Shark say eat all you see and get BIGGA.
Bigga is Bettah .
Mighty is the righteous
Specially wen dey get litigatious.
Liars and theives survive and thrive
in the world we have created.
Trust me Trust you.
Next comes Sue U . Sue me
SUE ME

SUZICHEESECAKE.
Take my picture
I wanna be on YouTube
MySpace pretty lace.
 
NOUN:
pl. fi�du�ci�ar�ies

One, such as an agent of a principal or a company director, that stands in a special relation of trust, confidence, or responsibility in certain obligations to others.

From what I have heard at the trial so far, Carol was certainly a fiduciary. I just do not know if it has any legal significance as to what happened.
 
Did Taunya seem like the devil Tom and Carol portrayed her as? Or did they fib about that too?
 
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Pachanga is soooooo much better than Rita's. To bad Luna's is not there anymore.
 
ERIC DELETE THAT LAST COMMENT, by author...
 
i dunno...luna's beans were old- pachanga rules, cute gay waiter too.
 
Ritas is good, but so is Pachanga. It is run by a nice family and it has a nice, big dining area and private area for a group or large family.

Pachanga's fajita burrito is much larger than Rita's. Some dishes are better at one place and some at the other place.
 
None of the waiters at pachange seem gay.
 
REGGAE REJECT
Two weeks before Reggae on the River I started to feel the pull even though I had already decided not to go, not to pay the inflated $150 admission price. I asked myself: should I try to grovel for a press pass or keep my dignity intact? Maybe I could do both!
I walked into Peoples Production (who was it who said “be wary of an organization with ‘people’ in its name?”) and handed the owners and their press coordinator (a cherubic little entity named Creek) a copy of my latest Reggae story, a piece telling about Julia Butterfly’s attempt at singing during the last festival. I figured it wouldn’t go over very well at the PP offices; nonetheless I decided to return the following week to make my presumed rejection official. I had emailed Creek a couple days before requesting Two Press Passes, including a photo pass for my girlfriend but hadn’t gotten a response.
Back in the PP office I asked Creek if he had received my email. He said he had; when I asked him if I could have a press pass for Reggae he said that wouldn’t be possible this year. I went off to a higher authority; Carol was standing in the kitchen eating her lunch.
“Carol! Could I have a press pass for Reggae?”
“What did Creek say?”
“He said NO!”
“Well, he’s the one who makes that decision.”
“What do you mean? You’re the OWNER, you can do what you want!”
“Did you ask PB?”
I walked across the hall into PB’s office- he was completely wired: he had about three pagers and a couple of cell phones on his belt, as well as a small satellite dish on top of his head that was tracking Jimmy Clift’s plane in from Jamaica. He was talking on the phone while someone waited in a chair for an audience with the great PB. It was lunchtime the tuesday before Reggae- he reached down for a bite of salad occaisionally.
I hovered in Carol’s doorway and waited for the exact moment when PB finished his call, then leaped in and asked him my question:
“PB, could I have a press pass to Reggae?”

“ This is very rude of you to come into my office like this! That story was slanderous” He said. “I thought you were my friend for twenty years! And last fall you went down to the Mateel office to try to look at the Peoples-Mateel Reggae contract! And when my wife saw that you were buying a Thanxgiving turkey dinner JUST FOR YOURSELF from Amelia’s I invited you to my HOUSE for our big party!”
OK, that WAS sweet that his wife gave me a mercy invite to the Thanxgiving dinner. I was trying to get a look at the contract because I wanted to see for myself if any of the questions, protestations, and rumors going around about the contract negotiations for the next five years of Reggae were valid. Instead I got my meal at Amelia’s, did a work-out, had a glass of wine, read the newspaper, ate the delicious upscale take-out like a pig, then lay around by myself groaning in bed! Shit! That DOES sound pathetic! Maybe I should’ve gone to the party! (Maybe THIS year PB?)
PB did offer me some closing advice. “Why don’t you DO something?! Why don’t you DO something for the community?! Why don’t you get a PUBLICATION?!”
As I was sincerely thanking him for his suggestions on how to improve my life, the sargeant-at- arms, the sexy Heather from Heaven took my arm and escorted me out of the office.
“Forget it PB,” she said. “He’ll just write about it.”
She ushered me down the hall and out the door.

(Alls Well That Ends Well Dept: On Reggae Sunday I started to think “I really DO want to go! I hovered around Garberville till a Reggae shuttle bus came in and spit out the survivors. There was my friend who gave me her and her boyfriend’s wristband! As we were walking along the river to Reggae someone else leaving gave us a couple back stage passes. I checked out the press tent, the usual rasta-babble, and had a fun time dancing backstage to Jimmy Clift.)
 
Are they at least happy?
 
But Mrs. Luna was always so nice. their salso was the best in Eureka or maybe all of Humboldt. That's the thing. The salsa. They would even sell yoiu some if you wnated. I wish I had that recipe. I asked them for it once but they said if they gave it to me they would have to kill me. I never asked again. :(
 
Do I recognise the writing style of the Gulch Mulcher himself?
 
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