Sunday, April 27, 2008

 

Ron Sinoway forwards advice from someone in the know re Roger's interim replacement

Hi Ron:

I spoke with my friend who works for Congress Person Woolsey's office. She said the governor has not filled openings in the state legislature and instead either called special elections or waited for the election cycle. She believes local residents need to start a letter writing campaign requesting either a specific candidate be appointed or no candidate at all.

I also spoke to another friend yesterday who suggested contacting Wes Chesbro. He is a former State Senator running for Assembly.

Governor Schwarzenegger's mailing address is:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-558-3160 ( new number )

I would recommend a letter that is both faxed and mailed. I would also recommend the Community back one candidate. Santa Rosa, CA 9540

....

So whom should we suggest?

Comments:
I would suggest Estelle Fennel.
 
If he appoints a running candidate it would be a conservative. If you want someone more liberal or at least moderate for the interim, you'd better suggest someone which the conservatives wouldn't scream about.
 
forest defender,I suggest you put the pipe down dude. This is a serious issue. Johana Rodoni is the first selection if she wants the position. Tradition,good manners,common sence and a community understanding makes her the only choice. If Johana is unintersted then of course let the foold gates of folly follow even your suggestion Defender.
 
I second Johanna, if she wishes to serve.
 
Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen!
 
Bob McKee.
 
Nobody for supervisor in '08
 
The letters should ask him to hold off until June.
 
First of all, you Eric and your Prog ilk can't suggest anyone for Roger's constituency because you guys aren't part of it, never were, never will be, so butt out of Roger's voter's business for starters.

Next, anon 11:46 has the right answer. It's up to Johanna to decide if she wants to run in her husband's place as this is our courtesy to her and our respect for Roger. After she signs on or off, then Roger's supporters will choose who fills Roger's place, not you guys always so eager to push the Prog invasive politically correct anti-corporate agenda on locals who don't want to have anything to do with that crap.
 
Suggesting me, anon 12:14, doesn't work because I do not represent Roger's constituency either. Sure, I considered Roger a friend indeed and we certainly did agree on some fundamental political issues but I'm a communitarian capitalist while he was a libertarian capitalist. My politics were probably too far into socialism for Roger's comfort zone.
 
Morbidly and perhaps not appropriately, I've been thinking about Roger's accident the site of which I saw afterwards on the way home on the bus. I wondered what is this with car crashes and community leaders? I too was tested and so was Sparky.

Sparky as a young man went end over end in an old caddie and I could have easily bought myself in 2001, hydroplaning off the highway at the bottom of the hill between Stafford and Redcrest and over the edge cartwheeling five or six times down the grade five or six times to end up right-side up and alive with only a small scratch. A friend took these photos of my former truck.
crash site
 
Stephen, do you see the spirit watching over you next to the guardrail? It's in the lower photo. He/She was watching over you. You are truly blessed.
 
The election is what, six weeks away? Why not just suggest Arnold appoint whoever wins, and let it go at that? Y'know - democracy.
 
Forest Defender said...
I would suggest Estelle Fennel.

I second that, I think Fennell would make an excellent replacement.
 
I too would suggest Estelle. Hey, you asked. And what is it with the grieving kin being asked to fill in when our elected officials suddenly pass away? This may be a sign of respect, and I believe that's the way it's intended, but it seems..ghoulish. And if not ghoulish, it is certainly asking too much.Leave the lady time to grieve. Don't burden her with thinking she's gotta show up for political office. And not to speak negatively, but what, other than having been married to the deceased, would qualify a surviving spouse for any job either in or out of public office? As stated, I support Estelle, but I think it would be best to appoint nobody until the election June 3.
 
First of all, you Eric and your Prog ilk can't suggest anyone for Roger's constituency because you guys aren't part of it, never were, never will be, so butt out of Roger's voter's business for starters.

I believe Eric does live in the Second District Stephen.
 
I'm writing Schwarzenegger today to suggest Clif. He is the only candidate who can effectively represent the whole district.
 
Entropy dictates that all things descend into chaos. Why should this be any different?

I think that I will respectfully wait a while before I dive back into the political Frey. But, I strongly support Estelle for a lot of reasons that have not gone away. I think that Estelle can win this election. We have plenty of time to “talk politics”.

Any appointment will only be for the remainder of the term that Rodoni would have served. I wouldn’t hang my hat on thinking that any appointment will change that much.
 
I would also recommend the Community back one candidate

Unlikely.
 
I 3rd Johanna Rodoni if she would agree. She would probably know better than anyone how Roger would have gone about these last few months in office, and then I would hope that she would run for his seat. I have lost all respect for Estelle, she has no leadership abilities. It is very easy to confer with constituents, but she has no vision, and I see her taking no leadership roll,I see her following footsteps of either Roger(I'll do it the same only better) or Clif(I'll do it the same only better)And she showed too much ego with no substance for me at the last dabate, and saying "she would meet personally with Johanna....."How does she know that Johanna even wants to see her?
 
I'm sending off a letter today to suggest that the governor hold off on any appointments until June, in the interest of peace. Any appointment right now would be seen as political if not divisive.
 
Ernie - unfortunately this happened 6 weeks from the election and as this thread and the others make very clear there really isn't the luxury to avoid politics for very long. A month or two earlier and perhaps it would have been. But as trivial as it sounds in the face of the ultimate mystery, there are some high stakes involved. Human nature being what it is, you can't hold the flood, you can only manage it.
 
" I have lost all respect for Estelle, she has no leadership abilities. "

FOR REAL!!!!!
 
Diane Johnson. A fitting punishment.
 
Like I say, you Progs should back off and stop trying to exploit the situation of Roger's death to slip in one of your candidates who's political naivete Roger appropriately laughed at. Roger would protect the interests of northern end 2nd District citizens while Estelle and Clif are handing them over to the political gangs centered in Arcata and SoHum. Eric shows what they all want which is to remake Humboldt County into another Bay Area politically while starving locals economically.

So again, stop your hideous vulturism, Eric and fellow Progs, and let Roger's constituency decide who they want Arnold to name as replacement.
 
Eric, I would also agree to the fact that NO appointments would be best.

Nothing would be gained by having someone step in the middle of this mess for the small time remaining.

Plus, it would stop all of the obvious political maneuvering that would ensue.
 
So again, stop your hideous vulturism, Eric and fellow Progs, and let Roger's constituency decide who they want Arnold to name as replacement.

Why should Roger's constituency decide who Arnold should name as replacement? They are only one small part of the Second District.
 
Stephen is kinda' like a duck, he wakes up in a different pond every morning.

If he is part of that flood that you can't hold back, good luck with controlling him.

"With reasonable men I will reason"
 
I think that Arnold should hold a special election where Eric runs against Stephen,whoever wins gets the temp position.Neither of them are running for the seat,so I think that's the fairest scenario.
 
Well, Stephen is Stephen. I'm more worried about the sniping between Estelle and Clif supporters in this thread actually. And Roger supporters probably see this campaign as their last stand in Humboldt County. The economy's in a nose-dive locally and nationally. There's a lot of stress.

Hopefully, the Governor won't add to it.
 
Homboldt County's second district is going to need to elect a supervisor who will be willing to stand up to the other supervisors and the county counsel!
 
Mark - Stephen can have it.
 
Eric and fellow Progs can fantasize all they want about 2nd District politics but coming in as recent carpetbaggers from the Bay Area they haven't a clue to the local constituency, always hoping that Progludditism will somehow magically overcome the solid mainstream Democratic/Republican northern 2nd District majority.

But with carpetbaggers, vultures, and an ambulance chaser with a popular blog trying their best to side-line democracy, one can't afford to be lenient. They will take your community away riding the population influx from the Bay Area.
 
the only reason NOT to have the governor appoint Johanna, would be if she does want to be on the ballot in November (assuming neither challenger takes it with 50+1 in June), as it has been suggested that the appointee should not be one of the candidates.
Of course if November becomes a special election, they will have to open it back up to all and then there will likely need to be another run off, or maybe the special election can happen between June and November?
 
There won't be a special election as there were three candidates for the upcoming election. There is still time for a write-in candidacy, and someone is bound to sign up for one, whether it's Johanna or someone else. But the election in June will proceed as scheduled with the three names on the ballot.
 
Yes, anon 5:28, I see what you see--the mist figure and yes, I am blessed. I prayed to my Father all the way through the rolls, praying that my truck would not hit a tree or something solid after cartwheeling down the embankment. I was lucky. I crawled out of the back window because both doors were jammed and I didn't know if the gas tank was ruptured. Had a camper shell on that completely disintegrated. I looked for my broken glasses and pot biscuits right away. I didn't want the CHP finding my 215 biscuits and making wrong assumptions. It was the first real rain of the season and the road was slick causing me and actually two other hydroplane accidents that same day. I made the nightly news as a "miracle" thanks be to God Almighty.
 
Gaahhkk! Eric, I do wish you would just butt out and quit trying to act like some public official with all the answers that you are not and do not possess. You are being really gross in your attempting to control Roger's constituency and how they will deal with Roger's replacement.
 
Actually, "Roger's constituency," whatever that is, will do what it will do. The rest of us will do what we will do. Personally, I've sent a letter to the Governor asking him to hold off on any appointments until after the June election. I'm simply suggesting that others should do the same unless they feel that somebody should be appointed before the June election.

Hopefully, the Governor will let the voters decide.
 
Roy Heider should get the appointment if there is one . He is our former Supervisor and he is from the 2nd district. It should be someone w/ experience not just a "Mercy Appointment" because we feel sorry for what happened.
 
Please, everyone, just shut up. Stephen has already indicated he knows what's best for all of us. Trust in thy Lord. His name is Stephen.
 
That poll that the rodoni campaign did a few weeks ago had Estelle ahead of Rodoni and cliff was hardly on the radar screen. Estelle has enough Fortuna votes to win.
 
Keep "spinning"!!!!!
 
"Personally, I've sent a letter to the Governor asking him to hold off on any appointments until after the June election. I'm simply suggesting that others should do the same unless they feel that somebody should be appointed before the June election."

Who asked you to? Roger's constituency has nothing to do with you. Why keep butting in trying to influence public officials? Why not let Roger's people handle it, Eric? Huh? Your manipulative efforts are not appreciated by the rest of us in the 2nd District who really Roger and hate seeing you Progs scrambling for advantage seizing Roger's untimely demise for maximum political advantage.
 
"..liked.."
 
And Estelle will win. Seems like the sniping is coming from Clif's camp, but it's so personal that it appears someone has an emotional problem.
 
Well, Stephen, I happen to live in the Second District. The representative would represent me as well. I'm not sure I understand your point.
 
Seems like the sniping is coming from Clif's camp,

It's coming from both camps actually. It has from the beginning. And unfortunately, I think it's motivated by another issue which shall remain nameless.
 
So Eric, what is your take on the ruling about a deceased incumbent and only one other name, because that is would it would be in the Nov. election if no one got 50% and Roger was one of the top two vote getters.

Would there be a special election then?

That is what I referring to at 11:26
 
I agree with Eric. With the primary so close there is no need to appoint anyone to the seat. Appointing a candidate will interfere with the democratic process. If there is no winner in the June primary then appoint someone who isn't running to serve until November. That isn't asking too much to let the voters of the 2nd district pick their supervisor without machinations from Sacramento.
 
Is the appointment process dictated by the state constitution or state law? For the long-term, why not float a bill to let a local board of supes make such decisions?
 
It's not a ruling, it's Elections Code section 8026. And the special election would have had to be held within 88 days of the calling of the June election.

But there were two additional names, so 8026 doesn't apply.

We discussed it below. Here.
 
Estelle should get the job siomply because the second district has been run by men since forever. But you leave it up to the Governor, another post only held by men and you will see these men sticking up for each other. You see that with Clif backstabbing Estelle and trying to shove her around like she is some sort of submissive bitch. You see that with his campaign running a slew of under the radar attacks on the fact that she has a vagina. You see it in the fact that Estelles support comes from the Lesbians while gay men from the second district support Clif.
 
All I see about November is this:

I would assume that if none of the candidates gets 50 percent, and he's in the top two, his name will be placed in the run-off for November.
 
Stephen, I just saw your crash pictures and I gasped, because I saw the "Mist Entity" too! Oh my god! It's right there for everyone to see. You should probably send the photo into the Ghost Hunters or something. There is no question that the entity was was watching over you, and it was probably admiring its holy work, considering the amount of damage to your truck. I mean you must have had an orb of protection surround you! There is no way a mere human could survive that wreck without the aide of the Holy Spirit directly! God Bless!
 
3:34, That's what would happen. The top two vote getters will go up against each other in November. Unless somebody gets over 50 percent. Because there are three names the death of one has no impact on the election process.
 
The 215 cookies might explain it.
 
Wait, where can I find pictures of Stephens entity!?!?!?!
 
Looked at Stephen's "crash" photo, it is not a guardian angel nor is it an orb. It is simply blow by from a semi traveling at a high rate of speed.
Sorry to observe something other than a spiritual entity.
 
Theres really two miracles exposed in the photo. One of them is Stephens truck, which is totally destroyed yet he survived. The other miracle is the mist orb, an obvious spirit watching from the side of the freeway. It's a cool photo but we catch spirits on film all the time. Particularly at events like this you will see orbs or mists appear. Sometimes they appear as rainbows.
 
I think the bisciuts saved Stephen's life - a Miracle!
 
So, Stephen is higher than shit off his pot biscuits and flips his truck and lucks out? That's Jesus at work?
 
Yes, the biscuits coalesced around (And inside of) Stephens head, protecting him from impact. It's a miracle!
 
God, The "mist" is from the rain soaked freeway and the red semi traveling at a high rate of speed!
Next you'll be seeing Jesus face in a piece of bread.
 
Eric,
The issue which shall remain "nameless" is one of the reasons I won't be voting for Estelle.
 
Does the "Nameless" issue revolve around a certain staffer who has now worked for both campaigns? What the hell is the nameless issue? If it's a personnel matter just say that. If it's personal, just say that. We deserve to know.
 
Sounds like their is more than one nameless issue.
 
"Well, Stephen, I happen to live in the Second District. The representative would represent me as well. I'm not sure I understand your point."

Roger represented you, Eric. The voters elected him fair and square. Putting Estelle or Clif in place of Roger would be a gross violation of the will of the people who voted Roger in. Sal didn't get elected, Eric. Roger did.

What's scary to those of us who rightfully fear the Prog invasion, are things like Wes Chesbro influencing this interim Supervisor problem, you know Wes with his buddy John backing Mark for Supervisor? I know when it comes to democracy for Republicans you suddenly get very dense but even you should be able to understand why we don't want you Progs messin' with Roger's replacement. You guys are not to be trusted to serve the people fairly because politics and the obtaining of political advantage rules everything for you types.
 
The nameless issue has to do with Estelle and why she wasn't supported by the group that went on to support Clif. And how she is trying to bypass them altogether with her own 'spoiler' campaign. Find more information on that, and you find exactly why Estelle is the wrong choice.
 
Proof of a malacious God exists by Steve's miraculous delivery. As a result, instead of just the brief suffering of one individual, we all must endure years of suffering.
 
Does the "Nameless" issue revolve around a certain staffer who has now worked for both campaigns?

I have no idea who that staffer is, and I've worked Clif's campaign from the beginning.

The issue is PP vs. the Mateel.
 
I should add that there are Mateel supporters who are backing Estelle and PP supporters who are backing Clif, though many of the lines have been drawn along those lines.
 
In essense Estelle versus Clif, for southern Humboldt, is the extension of People Productions versus The Mateel.
 
To some extent. But I think it's being overstated. And it's not fair to either candidate.
 
But Eric, it's inevitable based on the way Estelle conducted herself. It will be how people judge her, not really Clif. And frankly, it's only going to hurt her. Everyone has a legacy they have to carry. Hers is just particularly onerous.
 
And not to speak negatively, but what, other than having been married to the deceased, would qualify a surviving spouse for any job either in or out of public office?

Imagine that the surviving spouse has been talking with the deceased about the issues of the job for years, been to the fund raising rallies, spoken with the people with issues, met the other movers and shakers, and has a fairly good grip on what the job entails and how to do it. If that's true, who better to appoint?
 
The mist in Stephens photo is clearly right next to the guard rail. The semi would have been traveling on the far side of the freeway.

this is very clearly a spiritual manifestation of a mist orb or spirit cloud watching the proceedings down below. Perhaps it is also a shadow or remainder of an intense spiritual presence.

Either way the photo doesn't lie! Don't deny what is right before your eyes!
 
Listen up folks. This from a friend of Roger's, Johanna would be a "horrible choice because she is way more right wing than Roger." Be very careful what you ask for!
 
The red semi appears to be in the lane closest to the guardrail.
 
Imagine that the surviving spouse has been talking with the deceased about the issues of the job for years, been to the fund raising rallies, spoken with the people with issues, met the other movers and shakers, and has a fairly good grip on what the job entails and how to do it. If that's true, who better to appoint?

It's an argument we're witnessing in the national campaign.
 
Eric, what is your opinion of the spirit cloud in Stephens photo?
 
I've been thinking it over and if Johanna decides not to run in a campaign race so early after losing her husband I might run, as a write-in candidate, seeing's how the Heartlands project is toast for now and my 11:57th hour attempt to salvage the Palco Community Corporation part of it is so late in the bankruptcy game it too will probably be ignored by the court judge and creditors.
 
Stephen, if you lobby the Governor and get the tribes to back you, you could be in that chair in a couple months.
 
estelle has no qualities of bringing people to the table to talk as she is always saying, the pp vs mcc is the quintessential proof of this. she had a chance to bring some unity to sohum,to bring all the parties together, and she did not, instead she stood on a stage with cb and pb, and did all those totally biased news reports,slighted the mcc, and then quit kmud just to throw salt on the wound. if this is the kind of unifying effort she will bring to the board of supes, we are in bigger trouble than imaginable.
 
In essense Estelle versus Clif, for southern Humboldt, is the extension of People Productions vs. Mateel................

This is pea brained. I live in Fortuna and support Estelle because of the professional she is, in fields appropriate to her future job on the BOS. She clearly is the best candidate: proven by her action and service to the community, way more important than your PP fighting Mateel shit.
 
If Estelle wants to represent the entire 2nd district she should have thought about that before backing Carol Bruno. Period.
 
Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Actually, "Roger's constituency," whatever that is, will do what it will do. The rest of us will do what we will do. Personally, I've sent a letter to the Governor asking him to hold off on any appointments until after the June election. I'm simply suggesting that others should do the same unless they feel that somebody should be appointed before the June election.

Hopefully, the Governor will let the voters decide.

Mon Apr 28, 12:10:00 PM

What a stupid idea, why during this time when political action is necessary (CEU moratorium GPU,) even if it is some hack like stephen or yourself at least we would have some representation until our voices are heard on election day. I would like to have some of the so called progressives lined up and spanked for outright smugness. As for the trails- only if you take a hike. ain't nobody walking between eureka and arcata talk about a ten mile long homeless camp.
 
Eric, what is your opinion of the spirit cloud in Stephens photo?

I'm not seeing it. You mean the water vapor?
 
Eric is seeing exactly what I'm seeing. A water vapor.
 
There was a Spirit Cloud.

I just realized after all these years that I actually did come through that accident without a scratch. The half-inch scratch I got came after when I crawled through the back window.

The Spirit, like beauty, is all in the eye of the beholder.
 
There was a Water Vapor!
 
Okay, um. It was a spirit cloud. Whatever that is.
 
Thank god Jesus descended to help you out Stephen. It's not like he has better things to do, but apparently making sure your conscious enough to collect your weed biscuits was on top of the agenda for the day.
 
I prefer the terminology of "Mist Orb" thank you.
 
With the Spirit, tradition says It has always favored the holy intoxicant. Not that I was, your honor, just stating a well-known truism.

Seriousness aside for second, true fan, just how do I sell the fact I work for God, and have done so since I turned 50 with my kids grown and on their own, and I will work in no job that doesn't help further God's goodness to humanity?
You really think Humboldt's ready for such religious zeal in our day and age? I think so..
 
So that's what that stuff is I see rising up from the hills most mornings.Spirits! Whoa. And I thought it was just fog.
 
Johanna's running. Estelle and Clif are toast as she will coast in easily for the win on Roger's good name. There's no need for me to run but thanks, true fan, for your ever willing support.
 
Stephen,
If in fact you work for God, You need to clean up your message! God would not appreciate YOUR spin on his message. Your tone and tenor is not the message He would be happy with.
 
"The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a gluttonous man and a wino, a friend of the IRS and other sinners! But wisdom is justified by her children."
-Mt 11:19
 
10:a.m.
Are you speaking of Palco?
 
No, but since you bring it up, I'm wondering what's happening with the Palco bankruptcy in The Body of Christ, Texas? Weren't the creditors and MRC supposed to hash things out by now?

I did submit a Palco Community Corporation Reorganization Plan in time for the last court deadline, submitted as an amended Heartlands Reorganization Plan, since more than half of that Plan called for the formation of Palco Community Corporation. I hope Judge Schmidt considers it this time around instead of ignoring us because of lack of lawyer representation in Texas. We do have the very best Palco reorganization plan around, one that benefits Palco workers and not banks or super rich guys.
 
Wish I'd of said it, well put I might add:"estelle has no qualities of bringing people to the table to talk as she is always saying, the pp vs mcc is the quintessential proof of this. she had a chance to bring some unity to sohum,to bring all the parties together, and she did not, instead she stood on a stage with cb and pb,!! and did all those totally biased news reports,slighted the mcc, and then quit kmud !!just to throw salt on the wound. if this is the kind of unifying effort she will bring to the board of supes, we are in bigger trouble than imaginable.Mon Apr 28, 08:52:00 PM

And to, Mon Apr 28, 03:21:00 PM - seriously? I think you have some kind of homophobicphobias. Please get over yourself.
 
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