Thursday, July 17, 2008
Reggae settlement announced
1. PP and/or Dimmick will pay the Mateel $500,000.00.
2. PP keeps all the equipment on site.
3. It appears from Carol's statement that the Mateel's insurance company kicked in some amount of money for the slander and libel case. The amount would reveal whether it's a nuisance settlement or whether the insurance company took the causes of action seriously. We'll have to wait for that information.
It appears they're still working out a payment plan, and my understanding from another source is that the judge will keep the case open in case PP/Dimmick fail to make the payments - bringing the parties back to where they were a few weeks ago.
I don't have time to comment on this as I have a radio show to attend to. Try to post like adults if possible.
Addendum: Here's the MCC press release.
Mateel Signs Peace Accord with Dimmick, People Productions
The Mateel Community Center Board of Directors has agreed to drop its claims against Tom Dimmick and Carol Bruno’s People Productions rather than to continue to battle in the courtroom. In return, Dimmick and Bruno will pay Mateel a half million dollars. They will also dismiss all of their lawsuits against the Mateel, its staff and Board of Directors. The Mateel will retain ownership of its trademark, Reggae on the River, kicking off a new era of Reggae this coming Saturday at Benbow Lake State Park.
We feel the need to get on with our lives is important to many people in the community, and that the courtroom drama only continued to hold us all hostage to a future of fighting over a very uncertain outcome. The months of legal battling, the cost of the lawsuit to Mateel donors, and a desire to get on with our real job-running the Community Center, has led us to this difficult decision. Both sides were also motivated strongly by Judge Warren, who twisted everyone’s arms to get us to settle the case. At this point, we feel the settlement path best fulfills our fiduciary duty as the Board of Directors of the Mateel.
We are ever so grateful to the hundreds of community members who’ve supported us through this difficult struggle. It’s been amazing to watch the outpouring of people’s energy to help at the Mateel—something which will need to continue for the Mateel to thrive as a local Community Center. While we believe that the $500,000 isn’t nearly enough, it will help to re-establish a modest reserve for the Mateel, as well as help pay for long-deferred maintenance of the building. But the future of the Mateel no longer lies at the feet of a monster Reggae show—in fact, it remains in the capable hands of the people of Southern Humboldt, and the Mateel will remain strong with ongoing community support.
I'm extremely disappointed in the settlement. $500,00 not including the equipment I could have stomached. But a measly $200,00 grand for stealing the festival? Unbelievable.
I will never support anything PP or Dimmick does in this community, ever. I hope that after the Mateel is paid that they both fail and go bankrupt.Bankrupt just like their ethics.
There better be more to this. Talk about letting PP walk free!
Hopefully we are talking $500,000 lump sum, not some tweeker pay-on-time plan.
What a rip either way. And no it isn't jealousy or hate. Please serve some empathy cream with your next meal.
Where is the membership copy of the settlement terms including the Mateel's payment for slander?
What are the consequences of failure to pay the Mateel?
Will the slander payment be put into an escrow account to be issued only after the Mateel recieves their payment in full?
Does that mean you'll support something they do in another community?
The BOD wasn't spineless. The judge meticulously and forcefully laid out the point I've been trying to make for over a year now - they cannot win this litigation from a financial perspective. And they were looking at financial disaster.
I said it the minute I read the complaint, which I recognized as the very type of complex business litigation large corporations hit each other with and metabolize. I caught a lot of flack. The Board was simply not willing to send the community center into financial oblivion in a kamikaze drive to bring Carol down.
Now we can start the rebuilding. Choose which events you want to support. Move on.
two years potential income? there were only two years that did that well... and unfortunately, the "new mateel" decided that was what they could count on every year as income. Even Taunya called Reggae a NOVA or something like that... and said Summer Arts and the HoeDown are the rising stars.
The bumper crop years for ROTR in the late 90's and early 2000's were pure luck and good fortune. The music scene for the past several years has been pretty dismal. ROTR was in a bubble for the first years of the downfall...but bubbles burst. Bought a house recently? Bought some gas recently?
Don't call the BOD spineless. They are more educated than you are.
Eric, please work your magic and make 8:40 disappear. It is a rude and unkind remark that has no bearing on the discussion. thanx Jj
A settlement does not preclude the Attorney General from seeking "justice" for the Mateel.
Check out Heraldo for a Mateel BOD statement...
Did they get the venue?
Pray the Arthur's end TD's lease as soon as it's up. Has the MCC kept communication with them open?
9:02 ....The MCC received between $200,000 and $250,000 throughout the 90's til the strangulation began in '04-'05.
No Justice, No Peace!
Whatever settlement happens, people in this community better realize that Carol is no thief. She is an honest, caring woman. She has done much good for this community. If you want to keep making her into a bad guy, please get over yourself.
Excuse me but I think your hippie-ocrisy is showing.
Eric, please work your magic and make 10:00 disappear. It is a rude and unkind remark that has no bearing on the discussion.
Carol is an honest caring woman.
Carol is an honest caring woman.
Carol is an honest caring woman.
Carol is an honest caring woman.
10:00 why do you obsess over me? Oh, I know, it must be love.
Eric, please work your magic and make 10:00 disappear. It is a rude and unkind remark that has no bearing on the discussion.
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Thu Jul 17, 08:40:00 PM
Geez, what a needy person you are. Eric already deleted something you found offensive a few hours ago, and now you are whining again about someone being a bully.
Many of us are worried about the economy, global warming, the war(s) etc. I know it's tacky that someone accuses you of eating meat, but is it really something to stop the presses about?
No, I didn't drink the kool-aid but writing nasty things about Carol isn't going to make it better. I, personally cannot bring myself to give them any money no matter how badly I'd like to see Willie. No, wouldn't take free pass either. I believe what was done was wrong, and we are sending a strange message to our children. Bullys win. But, we can't protect them from the larger reality they live in. With luck we can change it over time. There is no win without support.
There was once a proposal of no money, just the use of French's camp for a small 5000 person show tagged onto the existing permit. Couldn't be done. But they did it for Willie and I'm thinking if it had been for the MCC and ended the quarrel they could have gotten the term of the permit. Just thinking.
If your really worried about these things stop eating meat!!
Count your blessings. It is going to be difficult for PP and Dimmick to make very much off RR for at least a few years.
Whoever thought up this notion that owning ROTR or RR was like a winning lottery ticket is dreaming.
If at all.
Thank you Margaret for all of your accurate reporting. I will never support PP or Dimmick in any way, nor will many of my friends. This settlement may make Carol et al pariahs in this community more than they already are.
There are many quiet members of this community who have been watching the theft of ROTR, hoping for a good outcome. I don't think PP & Dimmick have any idea the animosity this settlement is creating. It is pervasive and I think Carol is going to be in a huge world of hurt in the future.
Nice try, but that was someone posting on my behalf...or someone trying to stir up some sh!t. i was dealing with my own demons at that hour. thank you to whomever did it... i think.... Why do you care so much what's on my plate anyway? It seems spiritual food is lacking here.
ps.Tofu was not a coordinator since the mid 1980s... ?? boy are u out of touch. Since YOU brought it up, i'll have to tell u i didn't even volunteer until '88. i was a coordinator from '94 to 2002...created the major revised traffic/signage plan in '95 with Steve Wells and Vern Callahan/Caltrans. I negotiated our first contract employees for the highway..I was secretary of the MCCBOD when the legendary split occurred..
...the "builders of Reggae" are everywhere...
much love to you on this day, and in your spiritual quest. i hope you find what u r looking 4.
Hopefully the economy will rebound and the festival will flourish again, but when people are having a hard time buying gas to get to work, it is even harder to come up with the $$ it takes to do RR.
Tone it down please, and count your blessings.
And for those who are bad mouthing the BOD at the Mateel, my advice to you is to shut up and run for a seat.
I didn't find it odd as it happened, but it was interesting that the critical posts simply stated she was wrong but almost never got specific.
Oh the horror! Oh the horror!
side(s) or that one side won or lost. In fact, this is a negotiated settlement by all involved, brought on by the (continuing) costs of litigation, risks of losing, risks of winning and having no ability to enforce a judgment, among other innumerable reasons.
The MCC did not settle PP/TD. It was joint--i.e. everyone agreed to settle. The result is that MCC gets some money and PP gets some money and TD gets some infrastructure on his property. Good or bad, that is the deal.
One wonders what the state of affairs would be in this community if the MCC had agreed to license the event to PP in April 2006 for $200K/year for 10 years. But it didn't happen and now time will tell what the future holds for all concerned.
Party on Dudes and may George Carlin rest in peace.
Peace and love to all.
God what the public doesn't know will hurt them. Don't seal those transcripts!
Only problem with this supposed $200,000 a year settlement is, PP/TD did not pay anything to the Mateel for 2005 and 2006, so why would anybody think they intended to keep their word on this agreement? Be real.
MCC has a fresh start with lots of goodwill and admiration from the community. Carol and Tom have a tight knot of ardent supporters with nervous smiles and a dark cloud over their heads. No question who the real winner is.
We know the Emperror wears no clothes, are you now saying, "The BOD can do no wrong?"
Party on Dudes.
You guys don't know shit. Youve fed the honey filtered for the poo
God, the balls! I ask how can anyone lie to the community and keep such a straight face? No matter how much practice they've had. When will she just admit she sold the show down the river for a fat retirement plan? How many hurt people lie in her wake?
The healing will take years and for some never be seen.
Because this one is guaranteed by the terms, which would reopen the case if PP doesn't make the payments. The difference is recourse.
i am not associated w/ pp or dimmick and I am a member of the mateel but you guys have to walk your talk if you want more of the community to get involved. Stop treating the Mateel as if it's your "Private Club" with only certain members allowed and maybe more of our community will become involved. many of you keep spewing out the same lame corrosive words.
That really is an attractant isn't it?
I guess when they start throwing hayseed on the floor you might expand your definition of the Mateel. Well I agree that hasn't happened yet. Damn. They are getting pretty damn close though with the Hoedown. They had cloggers last year.
And, as Eric pointed out, no recourse. The famous guarantee document was read in court, it's a matter of public record.
You see it works like the abuser thing. The child goes to the teacher and tells about the abuse and when the parent has to face it says see what you have done now and expects the bad relationship to continue with no consequences. "It's all your fault"
Carol got that reputation on the Mateel's dime"
yes, Carol and others worked hard for the Mateel, and during the lean years, did not even bother turning in timecards, because the Mateel was broke.
As time went by, the Mateel definitely got their money's worth out of Carol... year after year after year. As long as the money was rolling in, MCC was happy. MCC revised their annual budget to expect in the future whatever $ ROTR had made the previous year. Expectations got too high, when ROTR performed so well for two years in a row. A new board, and a new ED thought it would go on forever... and started spending accordingly. When things did not turn out that way, the new board and ED decided to try and oust Carol. It was their way of killing the goose, hoping to get all those golden eggs. That decision caused so much harm to the heart of this community. That decision cost both sides tens of thousands of wasted dollars in legal fees. That decision was a bad one. The MCC board, and their ED, should have worked with Carol, instead of trying to dump her. But MCC chose their own path, and all of us have been left poorer for it, and have been made to pay the price.
I have been in several situations where several PP employees were gathered (not a work) and heard them complaining so much about MCC. I think people who are on the defensive tend to complain more.
High Gas Prices
Community not clueless anymore
Drug sales limited
Not a pretty picture for any festival
I know many coordinators who are no longer coordinators and they have been pulling out for three years because they were fucking ashamed and scared of what was going on and then there are those who stay stoned the entire festival then there are those getting the 20 grand winky payments expenses on top the others get peanuts But don't worry that is just the security and med crew The hard drugs you have to go and get from the guy with the gun standing by Dimmicks house
Then don't forget to throw in the rapes, murder, and trippers
If you want to keep spinning I have much more to add I don't think it is gonna do anybody any good
What a bunch of BS. No one makes 20 Grand.
Saw Carol in the liquor store tonight, friendly, went out of her way to say Hi. I admit it, I like her. But, if I'd known she invented Reggae, I would have fallen down and worshipped too.
I will be so glad when the court documents are public. I will also quit having to reiterate the truth over and over.
Speaking of "diseased little freaks" who is anon 9:43 #2?
The 2million non-guarantee was read in Warren's court, I've always wanted to say that, and it was line item #10 that qualifies it with the net profit clause.
I'm off to the real original Reggae and I'm going to enjoy it in spite of any disappointments in the settlement. And I'm glad that I will be remembering Carol as I saw her tonight, a lot less unhappy than she ever looked in court.
Spin that up your web.
The Oregon Country Fair did fine. They have a shuttle system, bio diesel, that carries 5,000 people from Eugene every day. They are in transition of their general manager after 17 years. It is going smoothly. Their attendance was the usual approx. 50,000 over 3 days.
They own 470 acres, which can happen when the money goes to the community (non-profit). Six people get paid (the GM receives about $50,000)the other thousands of folks are volunteers. It is a show that should be held up as an example.
Best of luck to everyone on their shows.
They did not. The insurance company settled the claim because they did the math. Can't you read or are you going to be a fool all your life. That was a slap suit against the Mateel. Another corporate ploy.
No. First of all, you don't get fined in a civil lawsuit. You pay damages. Secondly, the judge never reached any ruling on any of the issues and so nobody was ever "slapped." The insurance company may simply have kicked in the money it was prepared to spend fighting the suit, and since the Mateel at this point wants Carol to have every penny she can get in order to be paid off, there probably wasn't a whole lot of resistance if any.
But never make the assumption that a settlement is a concession of merits. It's actually never the case technically. The release Carol will have to sign will state that she acknowledges that it isn't a concession on the merits.
Ever heard of the Pied Piper.
But in the mean time some of us will never forget the written words spoken by the offenders in the press(NCJ Nov 16,2006),on You Tube, and the e-mails (lets do reggae, not the Mateel).
Good luck and may all your days be remembered by the words that you spoke and acted upon...not some settlement.
(Eric's question) i think this is in regards to the transcripts.
What part slandered Carol. She was never slandered by anyone. You know, I know it, and the community knows it.
It appears they didn't it like it very much when the Mateel went public. Oh darn who turned on the lights! Accckkkk is that a silver dagger pointed at the facts I so carefully have made up over the years? Aeeeeiiiiiii... I'm melting. I'm melting.
Sorry I slipped into shades of Reggae Warrior for a moment.
That was such a beautiful moment. Maybe we can get that up on Utube.
From the New York Times
July 20, 2008
Here’s Looking at Me, Kid
By JAN HOFFMAN
JAMIE LYNN SPEARS is a narcissist, to say nothing of her older sister. So is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Bill, too! Clearly, the word was created with A-Rod in mind. And who can forget Eliot Spitzer? But please, let’s forget this month’s narcissist du headline, Peter Cook, the philandering ex-husband of the model Christie Brinkley.
Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska, is a narcissist. (Chuck Hagel?) Madonna seemingly takes nightly baths in her own reflected glow. Have we forgotten anybody pop-analyzed with that word in the last six minutes? Naomi Campbell, anyone?
As stunningly disparate as they are, all of these folks and many others, including Saddam Hussein and Russell Crowe, have been labeled as narcissists. It has become the go-to diagnosis by columnists, bloggers and television psychologists. A term that has deep roots in psychoanalytic literature appears to have become a popular descriptor so bloated as to have been rendered meaningless.
“It sounds more impressive to say that someone is narcissistic rather than a jerk,” said Dr. Susan Jaffe, a Manhattan psychoanalyst.
Are any of these characters actually narcissists? Only their therapists know for sure.
We love to label the offensive behavior of others to separate them from us; it’s their problem, not ours. And labels have their periods of vogue (see “chauvinist”).
“Narcissist” is among our current favorites. It has been splashed at bad boyfriends, successful executives, reality show contestants, users of YouTube and Facebook, and, obviously, celebrities.
But while it has acquired a silly elasticity, it has also acquired rich layers of meaning. For though the word has a derogatory stamp, the very people we label narcissistic often are those who attract as well as repel us.
“The study of narcissism is a growth industry in academia,” said Daniel Ames, a social and personality psychologist at Columbia Business School, who administers a narcissistic personality test to his students. “It helps us to understand and explain behavior, whether it’s in the bedroom or the boardroom. And it’s just a lot of fun to talk about.”
But during the recent Brinkley-Cook custody smearfest, Dr. Stephen Herman, a court-appointed psychiatrist affiliated with Weill Medical College of Cornell University, did not have fun in mind when he testified that Mr. Cook was a narcissist. In a phone interview last week, he explained that he had been using the term in its clinical sense, “not so much to label someone but to give insight into behavior, and indicate the relatively inflexible personality characteristic that it is.”
In the clinical diagnostic manual, the many criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include a “pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration and lack of empathy.”
Havelock Ellis, the late-19th-century British sexologist, has been credited with coining the term “narcissist,” after the myth of Narcissus, the Greek youth fatally enamored of his own reflection.
Narcissists, Freud later wrote, were nearly untreatable. Unspeakably lonely and shackled by grandiose fantasies, they were incapable of forming relationships, not even with a psychoanalyst.
In the 1970s, several psychoanalysts argued that narcissistic personality disorder occurs across a continuum and is not impervious to treatment — a theory that continues to be refined. Today, therapists say, patients who receive a diagnosis of the disorder remain among the most challenging to help because they often believe their problem is that others never sufficiently recognize how special they are. In childhood they had been deprived of essential emotional sustenance; as adults, their arrogance, sense of entitlement and exhibitionistic tendencies spring from the deepest humiliation.
Dr. Marion Solomon, a Los Angeles psychologist and author of “Narcissism and Intimacy,” said that true narcissists are startled when their spouses say they are miserable in the relationship. They come into treatment, she said, only at the urging of their partner.
As narcissism gained greater clinical consideration, it penetrated the culture as well, after Tom Wolfe’s declaration of the ’70s as “the Me decade” and Christopher Lasch’s book “The Culture of Narcissism.”
“Narcissism became equated in a simplistic way with selfishness and self-centeredness,” said Natasha Zaretsky, who teaches modern cultural history at Southern Illinois University. “It became a catchall for people turning inward and retreating from the politics of the ’60s.”
By the 1980s, “narcissistic,” like other psychological terminology — “insane,” “psychotic,” “hysterical” — was seeping into the popular vernacular. Back then, narcissistic was the pop-psych, dismissive explanation for the scourge of that era, the single man incapable of committing. (ABC has since restored him to “The Bachelor.”)
Narcissism has fresh currency. In parenting debates about praise and self-esteem, critics fear we are raising a generation of narcissists. But Richard Robins, a psychology professor at the University of California, Davis, notes that earned self-confidence can be mistakenly dismissed as narcissistic. A narcissist’s self-confidence is inflated and superficial, masking a bottomless insecurity.
And, in a culture crazed, so to speak, by Internet-ratcheted celebrity, which gets its thrills from the coarsest exhibitionists, “narcissistic” has become an automatic-pilot term to describe the preening of the famous.
“We’ve developed a different kind of narcissism,” Dr. Solomon said. “You’re successful, famous and treated as the center of the world. ‘Oh, Tom Cruise, how can I take care of your needs?’ So you start to believe you’re the center of the world because that is how the world treats you.”
And, some psychoanalysts say, our fascination with celebrities as well as our need to diminish them is its own kind of narcissistic narrative, including grandiose heights and abject humiliation.
The playground superhero fantasies of children are normal, explained Dr. George Makari, author of “Revolution in Mind: The Creation of Psychoanalysis.”
“We have to mature out of the grandiose, childlike visions of ourselves as perfect and omnipotent,” Dr. Makari said. “But then there are these people in extremis — Alex Rodriguez, who hits 50 home runs in a season! Who do they think they are? And so there’s a certain pleasure in watching these people fall back to earth.”
Dr. Prudence Gourguechon, a Chicago analyst and president of the American Psychoanalytic Association, also sees a narcissistic narrative in reality shows like “American Idol.” “The healthy part of narcissism says, ‘I am a whole and wonderful person with something great inside of me,’ ” she said. “ ‘I can sing,’ or ‘I’m beautiful.’ ”
But the allure and tension in the shows are created, she added, as the audience hungers for the takedown. “Are you good enough? Or are you going to be humiliated? Then someone comes along and says, ‘Get out!’ That’s a narcissistic drama.”
In the last decade or so, social psychologists have studied narcissistic traits in actors, chief executives and politicians, where such tendencies are all but built into the job description. (Think Charles “I am France” de Gaulle.)
The Narcissistic Personality Inventory test that Columbia’s Professor Ames gives includes 16 pairs of choices. (“Everybody likes to hear my stories” or “Sometimes I tell good stories.”) He recalled one student who got a perfect score: “He boasted that he aced the narcissistic test.”
He tells executives the test can offer insight into how others perceive them, but is not an inherent predictor of success. High scorers often have an infectious energy, an intoxicating confidence; but they can be oblivious to advice and contemptuous of others.
Many people are condescending and self-involved, but they may not necessarily be narcissistic. Therapists say that to affix the label, the trait or the diagnosis, one must spend considerable time with the person. Determining that someone is a narcissist, Professor Ames added, “is not something you can gauge from television.”
or this one
is the name really THAT sacred?
Must be a youn-un. Pound was a brilliant poet with mental illness and fascist leanings.
So many familiar faces, John Dimmick amongst them, showing where his loyalty lies. A true friend of the community. Folks from as far as Santa Cruz who said "We just came to show our support." Those that feel it, know it.
The intentional rumors of Park Rangers who were going to be anti-pot were just that, rumors of evil. Thanks to the Park, the Benbow Inn and all the folks who worked so hard to make it happen. The Mateel truly put the Unity back in Community, Bless them.
When will the other side get the message, wake up to the truth and just cop to the error of their ways. This is a forgiving community, they need only ask, God forbid, with a little humility.
If indeed PP are community involved members where were they yesterday, at any Arts Fairs, in short community events?
A lot of groups have built, or had a hand in building, the things that make up this community. Most don't feel that gives them the divine right to dictate how they operate or attempt to destroy them. Should Alan Katz be telling us what we can or cannot do with the health center? I don't think many people deny that various people involved in PP have done great things for the community. They do seem to resent the "my way or the highway" attitude of the entitled crowd. Who wouldn't?
Next time you get in touch with pp or cb could you get them to fix that pot hole in the street?
When "the move" to the new venue turned out to be more costly than expected, the MCC got less money... plus many "volunteers" who were used to doing non-essential pre-event work, and getting that premium campsite really close to the bowl, were grumpy when the "volunteer camping" area was no longer such an easy walk to the new bowl. The public, who buys the tickets, got the better and closer camping at the new site. When the Mateel went public about the lack of ROTR income, all the "entitled locals" jumped on the bandwagon.... not so much because they cared about the Mateel, but because their "perks" had been reduced by the move. Oh no! They might actually have to work! Oh no! The person who paid for a ticket and camping might get a better spot!
For the entitled locals, it's always been about their own private party. For the Mateel, it's always been about the money, especially in more recent years.
For PP and the coordinators, it's always been about the festival, and our audience. We are blessed that so many people, from all over the place, would take the time to come and spend their money here, for that first weekend in August.
The "entitled locals", who thought of ROTR as their own private party, and got annoyed when it got big enough to bring in some real revenue for the Mateel, don't care about the tens of thousands of dollars brought to the Mateel, because people all over the world came to the event. I'm sure they all came out of the woodwork to volunteer at ROTR this year at Benbow, and are patting themselves on the back about how good they are.
Perhaps if they had not been asking for free tickets, etc... for so many years, the ROTR profits in 2005 and 2006 would have been better. Perhaps if the Mateel had decided to keep faith in someone who had been delivering success for 90% of the time, instead of trying to edge her out, and causing this big rift in the community, we would all be better off.
Hey everybody! It wasn't Katrina or the cost of gas afterall, it was all the local freebie passes! hahahahahahahahhahahah
Carol caused this riff in the community. I hope she is happy with the attention she is receiving.
And yes, we all did feel wonderful after the show last night, and today. No shame. Nothing to regret about our own actions. How about you?
yesssss... because it's all about YOU, right? Pat yourself on the back again. It's all about you, and you can feel so proud of yourself.
In my view, this is the crux of the matter. "The move" was a carefully engineered plan to rob The Mateel of any control over the concert venue. They blew the lease at French's Camp on purpose so that we would have to move. The insulting part is that they expected The Mateel to pay for "the move". The sad part is that The Mateel DID pay for "the move". And by the way, The Dimmick Ranch sucks as a concert venue.
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