Monday, July 14, 2008

 

Some color added to Green

From the Votemaster:
The Green Party has nominated former congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and community organizer Rosa Clemente as its 2008 ticket. McKinney is a former Democratic representative from Georgia. She was elected to the House in 1994 from a 64%-black district and was reelected three times until she was defeated in the Democratic primary by a totally unknown DeKalb County Commissioner in 2002. She came back and was elected again in 2004 when the incumbent, Denise Majette, ran for the Senate. She ran for reelection in 2006 and lost in the primary. She is most famous for trying to enter the House without her pin identifying her as a representative and when a capitol police officer questioned her, she punched him in the chest.

Cynthia McKinney
McKinney
Rosa Clemente
Clemente
It is hard to understand what the Green Party is thinking. In 2000, Ralph Nader got 2.7% of the national vote on the Green ticket. In 2004, the Green candidate, David Cobb dropped to 0.1% of the vote (120,000 votes nationally). While some day a party might be able to win by running two unknown black women, 2008 is not that time. People who don't like Obama or McCain have two high-profile alternatives this year, Ralph Nader and Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate. It appears that the Green Party is trying to commit political suicide. If it had picked a candidate known for something more than punching a police officer, it might have had a chance to at least get 0.1% like in 2004. Better luck in 2012. The Green Party's only hope is that rich Republicans shower money on it in hopes of hurting Obama. But it is a slim hope as McCain will be pleading for that cash himself. Ralph Nader
Nader
David Cobb
Cobb

Interestingly enough, green parties in other countries have a real influence. In 1998, the German Green Party got 6.7% of the vote, 47 seats in parliament and entered into a governing coalition with the Social Democrats. Three of its leaders became cabinet ministers, including the foreign minister. But it achieved this by running top-tier candidates and focusing on getting as many votes as it could.

I don't want to rehash all the old analysis about the differences between parliamentary and electoral-college systems. Nor David Cobb's "safe state" strategy. As much as I appreciate the Votemaster's analysis of the mainstream election campaigns, he obviously doesn't get the point of party building where you don't have proportional representation. Nor does he quite get that not all election campaigns are focused exclusively on the win itself. And I'm certain any party tries to get "all the votes it could." Besides, who would Votemaster consider a "top tiered candidate" available to the Greens. Jello Biafra maybe?

Although she didn't fare too well in the California primary (Nader won huge even though he wasn't running for the nomination), McKinney does represent an attempt to broaden the currently white middle class exclusivity of the party. It will be interesting to see if she peels off some of that black vote which wants to "cut (Obama's) nuts off." It hasn't worked in the past as the black vote is generally very pragmatic and while the politics of radical affluence might not see a difference between the parties, the difference for inner city economics is profound.

Still, I hope the smaller parties all come together for their own debates. Nader, McKinney, and Barr in one setting would certainly have its entertainment value.

Comments:
Cynthia, come back to the Democratic Party. David can come back,too!
 
The Green Party committed assisted suicide in 2004, with Cobb as Dr. Kevorkian. Of course it helped to have Cobb getting the slush funding from Democrat operatives, the same ones using Jim Crow tactics to keep Nader off the ballot.

But you'll never get Carol or Eric to admit that, even though 11 Democrat staffers were just indicted in Penn last week for their criminal conspiracy against free elections.

Cobb's disaster was intentional, and his purposeful deconstruction of the local Green Party is merely confirmation of that, since they've lost about half their members since Cobb moved to town and purged everyone who didn't buy into this DemoGreen perversion of the key values.
 
I will most likely be voting for Nader. I don't think he is a perfect candidate either, but I agree the most with his positions on the war, health care, legal marijuana and the economy.

Of the two most likely winners I of course wish Obama well, but I can no longer vote Democratic given the awful last 20 years.

have a peaceful day,
Bill
 
Your news about the Penn staffers is news to me. Can you post a link to an article?
 
Gotta go with the old white guy again, huh bill?
 
Google, Dear Carol, Google.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20080711_Veon__others_in_court_for_Bonusgate_scandal.html
 
Bonusgate
 
http://witfreporters.blogspot.com/
 
That's right Carol, Democrat Party operatives are misusing public funds to keep Nader off the ballot just to keep from having to compete with him. This is a criminal conspiracy and it is a betrayal of the public trust. It's disgusting and fascistic, which is about what we've come to expect from your party.
 
Yup, and that was in Pennsylvania, where the Democrats engaged in thug criminal tactics to prevent the voters from having another choice on the ballot, and spent millions in taxpayer dollars in doing so -- but no, Eric would rather distract us with some $5k contribution than discuss the criminal organization he belongs to.
 
Ro-oi-ight.
 
LOL, Carol has no response, so she tries a bit 'O Sarcasm.

Sorry dearie, doesn't work.
 
The Green Party took money from Blackwater?? Man, we're really living in the end times!
 
One guy and his wife gave one contribution, therefore the Greens support death squads. This is just total Democrat Party bullshit, which is what we've basically come to expect from Eric Kirk when this chips are down.
 
But why did they take that money? The Green Party should not be taking money from Blackwater. Period.
 
If that is the best the green party has to offer we are in a wrrld of hurt. Rosa Clemente is a disgrace. I don't care how many degrees she has, she is a hip hop homie, who has no chance of inhabiting the white house. The idea is laughable at best. She says things like "dats what I am all about" (in reference to "freeing" Puerto Rico and lord knows what else..) DATS??? Go back to the hood lady, you got no bid'ness in pollytix.
 
Don't you get it? Nominating a known flim-flam huckster like David Cobb with a running mate who was twice convicted of drunk driving was no accident of history. It was intentional, and designed to destroy the Green Party's credibility. And it worked, thanks to the well-funded interests who want to continue the two-party lie without any substantive challenge. McKinney/Clemente is just a continuation of the Green's assisted suicide. Thank goodness Nader is still fighting the good fight free of the baggage of these losers.
 
greens have no business taking republican money. did they think the republicans were gifting them out of the kindness of their hearts?

really!
 
I don't know anything about the bonus scandal, but if they're guilty they should be punished accordingly. End of story.

And yeah, taking the Blackwater money does evidence a bit of hypocrisy. The idea was to save Santorum's ass, but fortunately the Pennsylvania voters were smarter than that.
 
In 2005, Cobb commited a violent coup in the local Green party. He managed to oust Greg Allen who fought tooth and nail to keep the greens from committing suicide.

The Green party has a history of alienating intelligent, competent people within their ranks and they push the nutjobs to the top.
 
I suppose a little consistency is too much to ask for during a Presidenetial Election Campaign.

Will the same Democrats who savage John McCain for his supposedly out-of-control temper say anything similar about Cynthia McKinney, who physically assaulted a guard in our nation's capitol because he didn't recognize her after she had a new hair-do?
 
One more time, with spelling!

I suppose a little consistency is too much to ask for during a Presidential Election Campaign.

Will the same Democrats who savage John McCain for his supposedly out-of-control temper say anything similar about Cynthia McKinney, who physically assaulted a guard in our nation's capitol because he didn't recognize her after she had a new hair-do?
 
Will the same Democrats who savage John McCain for his supposedly out-of-control temper say anything similar about Cynthia McKinney, who physically assaulted a guard in our nation's capitol because he didn't recognize her after she had a new hair-do?

No doubt about that whatsoever. Especially if she starts to draw support in the polls.
 
Most people will ignore Cynthia McKinney as they ignore what is really going on around them. 9/11 changed everything but no presidential candidate cares to do a proper investigation into those events except Cynthia McKinney. They go on making arguments based on 9/11, the wars and our safety , something we know little about due to our lack of investigation.
It takes someone with the gall to smack an agressive TSA guard to speak truth to power.
 
"In 2005, Cobb commited a violent coup in the local Green party."

Hmmm,perhpas the 450 FBI agents and their friends who were here a few weeks ago were searching for the mass graves.That explains it all!!
 
mresquan said...
"In 2005, Cobb commited a violent coup in the local Green party."

Hmmm,perhpas the 450 FBI agents and their friends who were here a few weeks ago were searching for the mass graves.That explains it all!!

...............
Satire. And I read New Yorker when I can.
 
Greg Allen did receive a death threat during that time, so much for the non-violence of Cobb and company. Or have you forgotten what these friends of yours are really like, mresquan? The same ones who were on KMUD radio calling Greg a crazy nutjob who supports slavery because he opposed Measure T on 1st Amendment grounds?
 
David Cobb made the death threat?

Anyway, I opposed Measure T. I got some intense argument, but never a threat or even insult despite some profound frustration with me.
 
"David Cobb made the death threat?"

Oh yes Eric,don't you remember the No On T committee and Greg himself jumping all over that during the campaign?This can't be the first time you've heard this one!!
 
No question about it. I would vote for David Cobb a thousand times before I would vote for Cynthia McKinney once.
 
When Cobb actually faced the voters of Humboldt County, he lost and lost miserably, finishing fourth place with 11% of the vote, behind a write-in candidate and also behind Lorna Salzman, an ecofeminist from New York who has never set foot in redwood country.
 
don't have any respect for carol or greg connor, so I've lost respect for the humco dem party.
 
Is it full moon or something?
 
That's right Eric, only supernatural forces can explain why we don't buy into your DemCentCom bullshit any longer. Go drink some more 4th Amendment-shredding Obama KoolAid now like a nice little stooge.
 
eric got pwned!
 
Did Greg Conner ever publicly explain why he changed from being a confident Republican to being a member of the Democrat Central Committee?
 
What gives you people the belief that you have the right to post such nasty crap?
 
First Amendment, genius. Gives you the right too, so fire away, even if it's just to spread your own ignorance of American values.
 
I think he/she was talking moral rights rather than legal.
 
Is it full moon or something?

Yes, Eric, the moon is waxing full. The full moon is Friday. The werewolves are growing hair.
 
Did Greg Conner ever publicly explain why he changed from being a confident Republican to being a member of the Democrat Central Committee?

Yes. He wrote a My Word.

Ro-oi-ight. This is a lyric from the rock opera Tommy by The Who.

don't have any respect for carol or greg connor, so I've lost respect for the humco dem party. Did we ever have your respect? You don't scare me.

BTW, the correct spelling is Conners. Thank you!
 
11:06, I did:

“My Word” column
Eureka Times-Standard
May 5, 2005.

“Less government is more”. What an appropriately Orwellian tack for republicans to take. (Eureka, CA Times-Standard headline for an article about local republicans, April 2, 2005). Less government is only “more” for the very wealthy. Remember that the next time you hit a pothole in the road or try to get a police report for a fender-bender.

For most, less is just less. Most Republicans know less is not more. Republicans happily receive government jobs and contracts for their businesses. Most of us have had family members in government service. Many Humboldt County Republicans are employed by organizations dependent on government funding. All of us, including Republicans, are picking up the tab for less government on a pay-as-we-go basis. When people understand how the Republican Party has sold out their values, the Democratic Party is ready to welcome them with open arms.

Only the extremely rich believe “less is more”. Bush’s huge tax cuts for the wealthy mean less government service for us but more cash for them. Only the very wealthy can logically support today’s Republican Party. They show their gratitude by sending millions of their tax savings back to republican campaign treasuries. In turn for this financial support Republican legislators are promising to pass even more tax cuts for the rich. I can see that “less” actually is “more” for the very richest among us. The money the rich are using to buy influence is the same money that used to be for paving roads and other vital governmental investments like funding schools and public safety.

In school (Alice Birney in Eureka) I learned “One Nation under God” and how government was for the people. At church I learned The Golden Rule and how to treat others well. When I was a Boy Scout I learned the importance of virtues like honesty. As a republican in my twenties and thirties I learned that republicans generally place a higher value on the well-being of wealthy interests than on democracy. Now, as a Democrat, I am trying to learn how to make the world better for my children and grandchildren.

We face enormous challenges because of media consolidation and ratings-driven entertainment that masquerades as news on television and radio. It is up to each of us to pursue the truth and, like Paul Revere, to share that truth with our neighbors.

The Republican Party is not the party of Abraham Lincoln or Theodore Roosevelt anymore. Given the choice, I am sure both would register Democrat today. Teddy and Abe would know that less is not more. They would reject short-term economic returns for the rich in favor of long-term solutions for all.

I have been saddened by the exchange of moral purpose for short-term greed that I see in the Republican Party. What moral posturing I do see coming from the Republican establishment appears to be cynically aimed at specific voter profiles. The Republican side of my family use to say, “The first rule of Republicans is to never say a bad word about another Republican”. The Democratic side of the family had a different approach. “Think and learn and you will know the difference between right and wrong”, I was told.

Many fine people are still registered as Republican out of habit or loyalty or because they have believed years of well-funded propaganda aimed at diminishing the Democratic Party. As a Recovering Republican, let me assure you that the Democratic Party is actually quite main-stream. Patriotic small businesspeople like me, teachers, farmers, public safety officers and firefighters, brown, white, black and red – we are the people and America’s Hope. It may be too late for traditionally honest Republicans to take their party back, but the time has come to take our country back. To start with, “less” is not “more”, okay?

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Go Estelle!
 
(Estelle is the endorsed Democrat for Second District Supervisor.)
 
I left the Republican party years ago when Newt Gingrich rose to prominence on the coat-tails of the religious right (Jerry Falwell, et al). First I tried being decline-to-state and pretty much dropped out of politics. Then I wanted to vote in party primaries, so I switched to Democrat. That's about it. Thanks for asking.
 
And you're running HCDCC with that history of political schizophrenia?
 
No worries, 2:28. We only get one vote.
 
The judgement of anyone who "flip flops" their party affiliation is suspect, unless it occurs at a very early age or for a well described reason.

As Greg was a 20 year Republican, I have my doubts. There's an expression, "A Democrat is a Rupublican who lost his shirt in the marketplace". Sometimes the real loyalty is to self interest and the nominal reasons are an excuse.

Greg wrote he wants to make the world a better place for his children and grandchildren. I just wonder if the emphasis is really on HIS.
 
pick-pick-pick, anonymous or are you picky?

Many many people change their party affiliation, even more than once in their lifetime. About the same time Greg left the republican party, my Great-grandmother, a life-long member of the GOP, told me that the party was going the wrong direction.
 
Pretty clumsy, anon.
 
think your on to something anon 5:20
 
If a lot of people don't change their party affiliation, why did so many dems become greens and then go back to dem? Oh, that's right, it's all David Cobbs fault and had nothing to do with dems loosing close elections due to faulty voting machines and corruption in Ohio. At least Cobb made the effort to do a recount there and corrupt people went to jail.
The only way to fix this 2 party mess is to have instant runnoff voting.
 
5:20, I earn my living, and have never bet on the market place so I still have my shirt. How is it that speculation has become the most important business in the country?

Since I manage to earn a living, my concerns about the country are for my kids and grandkids and for the nation and world they will inherit. No one can choose the world they are born into, but we can make it a better place for those who come next.
 
Is any progress happening with instant run-off voting?
 
Of course not. We all know how the Democrats talk a good game on IRV but don't actually want to lift a finger to see it accomplished, since it would undermine the two-party scam.
 
The Democrats passed in in San Francisco.
 
Well, personally I like the idea. It is near impossible to find an incumbent officeholder willing to change the system. Even those who talk about change while campaigning are reluctant to mess with a system that worked for them, once elected. IRV will probably have to be done by petition without the support of incumbents.
 
Yes, why is a former Republican insurance salesman by the name of Greg Conners being interviewed by the Times-Standard as if he speaks for local Democrats. Greg & Carol, when were you elected by popular vote? Oh, you weren't.
 
HCDCC is an elected position. Democratic voters choose district representatives to the committee. In the event of a vacancy on the committee, members are also elected, but by the committee rather than the public. These facts make you an anonymous ignoramus. If you can do better than Greg and Carol, show up and volunteer.
 
Yes, why is a former Republican insurance salesman by the name of Greg Conners being interviewed by the Times-Standard as if he speaks for local Democrats.

Because he's not a Republican anymore and he's held in high esteem with local democrats.
 
Only by "Green" Democrats. Regular Dems think Greg and crew have sold the Democratic Party out to the Green Party. Greg can't see any difference between Greens and Dems because he's a switch-hitter from way back and doesn't consider things like loyalty to traditional Democratic values like supporting Humboldt workers instead of Humboldt yuppies.
 
Wow.

Thank you, Eric.

12:23, I actually was an official spokesman for HCDCC, but that was last year. Why am I involved? Bush.

5:16, really?
 
Really. You're out of touch with Humboldt County Dems because you're in touch with the Green/Dems who are loud and gang together making you all believe there's more of you than there really are.
 
While one side of me agrees with anon 10:03 the other really likes Cynthia McKinney's courage to stand up to the Zionists as a U.S. Congresswoman. That takes real courage in our times of Zionist control of vital American infrastructure including Humboldt Proggies. Just look at the difference in the Green Party anti-Zionist stance outside Humboldt County and contrast it to the silence one sees here with the likes of Eric, the born again Zionist promoter.

Cynthia almost makes me want to vote Green instead of Democrat but the stakes are too high to waste my vote. Obama may pull a JFK-style moral awakening on us after realizing what's going on with America's unpopular unconditional support of Israel's rogue state antics.
 
HCDCC-endorsed candidates have gone 15 for 15 in the past couple of years. Estelle Fennell will make it 16 for 16, and if she's too "green" then so are most of the Garberville Rotary Club and most of the fire chiefs in Southern Humboldt.

Spin away.
 
Obama may pull a JFK-style moral awakening on us after realizing what's going on with America's unpopular unconditional support of Israel's rogue state antics.

He won't. He'll pull a Clintonista betrayal of every progressive stance he's taken. It's already begun.
 
And JFK was gung-ho pro Israel
 
"HCDCC-endorsed candidates have gone 15 for 15 in the past couple of years. Estelle Fennell will make it 16 for 16,..."

Estelle lost the June primary big time. Came in third place, remember?
 
Third, barely, to a dead guy and a wimp. Maybe the widow or the wimp will win in November, but the best supervisor would be Estelle Fennell.
 
Don't mistake Clif's Clark Kent demeanor for wimpiness. He may not be an irresistible force, but he can be an immovable rock when he needs to be.
 
Estelle blew it once again with her attempt to trash Johanna's official re-entry into the Supervisor race. Estelle cannot handle important issues with wisdom or grace that a Supervisor needs. She blew it with her support of PP and now this harpy jealousy of Johanna because Estelle knows Johanna's re-entry spells her doom as a candidate.
 
With Estelle running, Johanna will win against Clif for sure. Go Estelle.
 
Clif has it in the bag either way.
 
Clif lost to Johanna, remember? Johanna's in the lead and will stretch her lead even more with Clif and Estelle siphoning off votes from each other in November.
 
Actually, Johanna wasn't running. She refused to. Remember?

But the sympathy votes will be gone and progressives turn out in larger numbers for the presidential election. Plus, no Rodoni name will be on the ballot.
 
Actually, Johanna is running and like I say, Estelle and Clif are going to eat each other's vote and lose to Johanna in November. She's already bested both of them under a great handicap and will continue to do so because the majority of 2nd District voters wanted her and still do. She's the most qualified of the three candidates by miles having many years of experience running organizations and advising a real Supervisor while both Clif and Estelle have no experience at all in supervising complex organizations.
 
How can she lose, with Stephen on her side!?

Oh, that's right. People don't know about Stephen...yet.
 
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