Sunday, July 27, 2008

 

Timetables





McCain yesterday on CNN discussing timetables:
First the Iraqi government gave Senator Barack Obama a boost by seeming to embrace his proposal for a 16-month timetable for withdrawing American troops from Iraq. But could Senator John McCain, who built his candidacy in large part on his opposition to a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, possibly be following suit?

“I think it’s a pretty good timetable,” Mr. McCain said Friday in an interview on CNN’s “The Situation Room,’’ before adding that it should be based “on the conditions on the ground.’’

For months Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, has railed against setting timetables for withdrawing from Iraq, and has criticized Mr. Obama, his Democratic rival, for suggesting one. But in recent days the debate has shifted as Iraqi officials, including Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, moved closer to Mr. Obama’s position.

In the interview on CNN Mr. McCain first seemed to downplay any possibility that Mr. Maliki would actually ask for the United States to withdraw its troops in the next 16 months to two years. “He won’t,’’ he said, explaining that he knows Mr. Maliki well.

Then, asked why he thinks Mr. Maliki had called 16 months a pretty good timetable, Mr. McCain gave his enigmatic answer.

“He said it’s a pretty good timetable based on conditions on the ground,’’ Mr. McCain said. “I think it’s a pretty good timetable, as we should — or horizons for withdrawal. But they have to be based on conditions on the ground. This success is very fragile. It’s incredibly impressive, but very fragile. So we know, those of us who have been involved in it for many years, know that if we reverse this, by setting a date for withdrawal, all of the hard-won victory can be reversed.’’



Now, can someone educate me on the whole Iraq-Pakistan border issue and the subsequent CBS editing of the interview to mitigate matters for McCain?

Addendum: Obama in Berlin, Ich bin nicht Bush. You can find the whole speech pretty easily at Youtube.



Second addendum: Great post at Kos entitled "McCain tries to throw election, Media won't let him." For those who can't generate the energy to hit the link, here are the last two paragraphs:
Meanwhile the situation has risen to the level of Theater of the Absurd. The media is now hammering the theme that they are favoring Obama. I always knew that the Right would push this theme, but they don't have to. It is now all over the news. Apparently equal coverage is required for a speech before 20 in Berlin, Ohio and a speech before 200,000 in Berlin, Germany. Obama was gracious enough to take the McCain advice and make the trip, now he is being accused of overstepping his role as a candidate.

The media's motivation is not a mystery, rather a multiple choice question. Clearly they have an interest in keeping the race competitive. They have always been intimidated by claims they have a liberal bias. They seem to crave respect from the right wing audience, and they seem to also crave Senator McCain's friendship. Or perhaps it is out of deference to a preexisting good relationship with the Senator that they are showing him such kindness.

Meanwhile, the post title of the week from Jake Tapper: "New McCain ad bashes Obama for not visiting the troops using footage of Obama visiting the troops."

Comments:
You aren't suggesting the CBS would attempt to mislead their viewers out of favoritism for McCain are you? LOL

Obama is proving his leadership abilities each day with even Bush and Maliki following him. McCain is days behind on every issue. He is proving his ability to take orders rather than lead which has always been his role.

That Obama was greeted with crowds cheering and American flags waving rather than burning all over the world is so refreshing but must sting like a mutha for the conservatives and the neocons who took us to the depths we descended in world opinion. Hurray for Obama!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hTCae0lqDg&feature=related

Here you go Eric.
 
Ich bin nicht beginner!
 
Is there anybody who seriously doubts that Obama will be the next president?
 
I am not a good judge. I thought the people were smarter than to elect Bush the first time. I was absolutely certain they wouldn't elect him the second. My faith in their intelligence is shaken and that isn't even taking into account likely election fraud.
 
I never felt this way about the Kerry campaign. Never felt like he could actually win.
 
If you give any credence to the many documented counts of election fraud, Gore and Kerry both won. Will they get away with it again? These "close" polling numbers make me think they have more shenanigans planned. I won't be surprised.
 
Basically all those rumors have accomplished is to give faux radicals an excuse to ignore elections.
 
And CBS did it a 2nd time:

http://rawstory.com//news/2008/McCain_gets_confused_about_war_on_0724.html
 
Anon, you really have to learn how to use the hyperlink code. Most addresses are too long for this format.

What did CBS do?
 
Okay, here's the link.
 
Obama is proving his leadership abilities? WHAT?

Who are you trying to fool? Obama is an exceptional speaker period. He is a junior senator (about 16 months in office before running for prez) with some prior experience as a "community activist". A leader, NFW. Obama is an illusion.

We're being sold some snake oil... Obama talks of change and people are looking for change so they fall for his line of ....

I really enjoyed the speech in Berlin at the rock concert (w/free beer).

This guy makes Clinton seem good.
 
Sun Jul 27, 04:44:00 PM said:
"If you give any credence to the many documented counts of election fraud, Gore and Kerry both won."

How right you are. If McCain wins, and millions don't take to the streets in protest, we probably deserve what we get.

Remember the Clinton/Gore campaign used "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" as their campaign theme song? Perhaps Obama should use The Who's "We Don't Get Fooled Again" (even though Eric thinks their lyrics are insipid)
 
Those lyrics were precisely anti-political. Townsend didn't like Abbie Hoffman and others "pushing" politics on them. In fact, National Review named it their number one conservative rock song.
 
I should point out that Townsend takes exception to its placement on their list, or anyone else's.
 
I do have to say that the Raw Story piece has me wondering if CBS shareholders are in McCain's pocket. Or vice-versa.
 
Barack Obama blew Larry Sinclair and smoked crack with him and you all want him to be our next President?
 
Exactly Eric, CBS (Viacom)shareholders want that promised permanent tax cut as do all the corporations. They also want more deregulation and control of the internet. They know which side of the bread has the most butter for them.
 
Come on, you think the many favors granted to Viacom,(that's CBS's smarter brother), by the Bush admin don't come with a quid pro quo?
Remember too that Katie Cuoric was one of the biggest cheerleaders -"Navy Seals Rock!" - for the Iraq invasion with the rest of the gang over at NBC. McCain's continued rant that the Serge is working helps to validate her and all the other MSM mega stars who were aboard the Bush Warwagon.

The "Conventional Wisdom" works like this:
If the serge is working then the invasion wasn't a bad idea after all and we all were right to go along with it.
Just about everyone who went along with it has gotten nice big fat pay increases since, if you haven't noticed. Those that held a contrary view got fired.
 
And they all learned that war is very profitable even if they don't also own companies which do military contracting (NBC - GE). War coverage brings high ratings which translated to increases of millions of dollars in the run up to and war on Afghanistan and Iraq and all they have to do is give their talking heads memos from the white house to read.
 
Whose Larry Sinclair?
 
meet the new boss.

same as the old boss.
 
Disturbing idol worship going on here, for the most part.
 
Some of their songs were more conservative than others --this one is pretty conservative about it's views on the issue of anonymous bloggers.
 
Idol worship? Where? I want some!
 
Sinclair's a liar. He did it for the money. He's probably a little insane too.
 
Whose Larry Sinclair?

The hippie poet who was kicked off the stage at Woodstock by Peter Townshend of the Who after he was caught smoking two joints with Abbie Hoffman.
 
Disturbing idol worship going on here, for the most part.

Yup. Watching Krauthammer whining about it on Fox brought back memories of the 1980s when I was on the opposite side of it. Well over a hundred investigations and indictments of cabinet members in the first term alone, but he could do no wrong.

But don't worry. He's black. It'll catch up to him sooner or later.
 
Ah, Abbie Hoffman, last of the groovy anarchists.
 
talking about media bias and worship, why is the media covering up the OIL SPILL that closed the mississippi river? to protect mccain. the GOP knows that drilling for oil is its only issue that is working......

obama: mention the OIL SPILL!!!
 
if the surge is working so well, setting a timetable for withdrawl should be a priority.
 
Sun Jul 27, 05:24:00 PM
The truth is that Obama will not be everything I hope he will be. Being the President of the U.S. is an insanely difficult job. He will be forced to do things that I will not agree with. I know he will do things out of conviction that I will not agree with. Things that I will disagree with hugely, but… After what the Republicans have accomplished in the last 7 years I would never give them another chance. How could anybody want to gamble with somebody who says he will carry on the policies of the last failed administration? A person who has admitted he does not know anything about the economy, and has not seemed to learn anything since he made that admission as if admitting it was all he had to do, who as said that he is learning about economics by reading a book by the architect of the failed Bush economic policy (Alan Greenspan) and calling that his economics 101 class. Somebody who only thinks surrender by somebody (who knows who) will end the war in Iraq, showing that he knows nothing about occupying a country vs. a real war. Somebody who claims to have big military experience where that experience consists primarily of 6 years in a POW camp where his was tortured for years and now thinks torture is a good thing proving that he is a slow learner and justifying his rank at the Navel academy where he finished 494th out of 498 in his class. How can I support a man who says he knows how to win wars yet that experience consists of the failed Viet Nam war and traveling to Iraq a few times yet he cannot name the players in that war with any consistent accuracy. I could never vote for a man who also screams “family values, family values” yet divorced his first wife because she gained a little weight and walked with a limp because of an accident and then he took out a marriage license BEFORE that divorce was final and married a very rich heiress. His children by his first wife will not even speak to him because his family values are so despicable. How could I possibly vote for somebody who has said he will do nothing about the huge healthcare problem that is bankrupting families because of a broken arm. He has no solution to this problem that is crippling families and business across the country yet he offers no solution except to reiterate the same policies that have failed over the last seven years. So even while I know that Obama is not the second coming or their lord and savior I also realize that McSame IS NOT somebody I would ever gamble on to bring this country out of the mess it has been put in by Bush and his henchmen. This country needs change and only Obama offers any possibility of that.
 
Check out Greg Palast's site regarding the Robert Kennedy / Greg Palast investigation into the on-going election fraud in states across the country, coming to an election near you soon:

http://www.gregpalast.com/
 
Never thought I would EVER say this, but AMEN RONALD REAGAN :)
 
For all his posturing that his experience makes him the better choice for prez - also by some of the commentors on this thread - you'd think that MCCain would be able to offer some concrete proposals for:
*Improving the economy to include key components of job creation, deficit reduction and a comprehensive energy plan.
* How to conduct the overall war on terrorism, which should include intelligence gathering, Homeland Security, diplomacy, coalition building, and Afghanistan, not just military stay the course/serge maintenance in Iraq, which is all he talks about.

It isn't just a rhyming taunt when he's called McSame. So, if he does have differing ideas than Bush 1.0, how come we haven't heard any of them? And even more importantly, why isn't MSM asking him what makes him different from Bush?

Of course, to even ask, much less answer that question, could very well alienate McSame from his core republican base. Talk about stuck in a hard place between Iraq and a rock.

The only things he's collected in 25 years in the Senate is cobwebs and lobbyists.
 
As Obama begins to pull away from McCain in the polls mcCains attacks are becoming more shrill and less about issues than "character" questions. They are desperate to hang something on Obama that will stick.

I listened to the two senators who accompanied Obama to Iraq on Face the Nation yesterday. One is a rebublican (Hagel). They said that while in Iraq and Afganistan they went out of their way to meet with the soldiers on the ground there. After their visits to the war zones the party split. Up to that point the trip was a government sponsored. Obamas visit to Europe was paid for by his campaign and was viewed as political in nature. Obama felt that is was not appropriate to use wounded soldiers as a political prop. If he had visited them in Germany McCain would now be attacking him as playing politics with wounded heros. McCain urged him to go to Iraq and then pissed and moaned about him monopolizing the media. The McCain campaign is beginning to look like a Marx brothers movie. Hail Fredonia.
 
Polling Point has Obama over 50 percent.
 
It is just a damned shame that the people of this nation are so starstruck and Hollywoodized that they will elect the guy or gal with the most 'charisma'. Never mind the issues. Obviously the best that liberals are capable of is the tired old rah rah for Obama. Give it a break!
 
You can't impress that many people so profoundly if your speeches lack substance. Obama is popular because he is speaking to a thread of dissatisfaction with the existing government but also some concrete hope for change. Foreigners flying American flags is a good thing. Maybe we can regain some of the goodwill we had in the 90s.
 
This race is different in that no one is trying to defend the Bush administration. Not even the radio whackos have anything good to say about this train wreck. Its all attack, attack, attack. Its hard to see how even the most inexperienced candidate could do more damage to this country than the dick Cheney and his neocon airheads. I don't meniton the shrub cause he was never really in charge. He was the governor of a backward state with a part time govt. who couldn't find Iraq on a map before he was elected. Some experience.
 
More attention needs to be paid to the fact that McCain's top advisers include former Bush advisers who brought us the catastrophes that he will be remembered for.
 
Trivia ,,,,Who was the only president to be a sitting member of the house of representative when elected?
 
So McCain agrees with Obama after all. Does McCain agree with himself? Does McCain even know what century he is in?
 
more attention needs to be paid to mcCANE.....watch an interview with him and ask yourself where he stands on the issues afterwards......his interview with george stephonopolis this weekend brought up issues such as: iraq, russia, gay adoption and the economy. he dodged EVERY single question!!! watch the interview. he even named the FORMER president of russia!!!! he is clueless, we need to see him more and more and more.
 
Mon Jul 28, 10:58:00 AM
Since you are trying to say that you don’t like Obama on the issues can you please be specific what issues you like McSame’s stance as opposed to Obama’s.
 
Now McCain is resorting to outright lies.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/28/121744/048
 
Democrat voters apathetically support Obama and could care less about issues, or substance. The dashing young liberal from Illinois has no experience, no plan , no substance, nothing. Name a single accomplishment attributed to Obama. Their are none. The Dems apathy is seen in the fact that Obama's great popularity comes from voters who could care less about why he is running but only that he is running. They like him because he has 'charisma'.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a McCain fan. I am just saying that
Democrats should get off their lazy apathetic uninformed back sides and do some serious research to find out just who and what their candidate believes in. Then ask yourself, "Do I really want this person in the White House?" When he says, "We can", demand of him, "We can WHAT?" When he says he's for change, ask, "change into WHAT?"
 
This from the “starstruck and Hollywoodized” (used from 10:58 AM) Jerusalem Post:

Two months ago in the Oval Office, President George W. Bush, coming to the end of a two-term presidency and presumably as expert on Israeli-Palestinian policy as he is ever going to be, was accompanied by a team of no fewer than five advisers and spokespeople during a 40-minute interview with this writer and three other Israeli journalists.

In March, on his whirlwind visit to Israel, Republican presidential nominee John McCain, one of whose primary strengths is said to be his intimate grasp of foreign affairs, chose to bring along Sen. Joe Lieberman to the interview our diplomatic correspondent Herb Keinon and I conducted with him, looked to Lieberman several times for reassurance on his answers and seemed a little flummoxed by a question relating to the nuances of settlement construction. (emphasis added)

On Wednesday evening, toward the end of his packed one-day visit here, Barack Obama, the Democratic senator who is leading the race for the White House and who lacks long years of foreign policy involvement, spoke to The Jerusalem Post with only a single aide in his King David Hotel room, and that aide’s sole contribution to the conversation was to suggest that the candidate and I switch seats so that our photographer would get better lighting for his pictures.

Indeed, the Jerusalem Post added that this may have been Obama’s second trip to Israel, but he “knew precisely what he wanted to say about the most intricate issues confronting and concerning Israel, and expressed himself clearly, even stridently on key subjects.”

He didn’t even need Lieberman there to help him struggle through the interview.

I’m curious. If you’d just arrived from another planet, and didn’t know a thing about either candidate, who would you say is the self-described expert on foreign policy and who would you say is relatively inexperienced on matters of international affairs?
 
Democrat voters apathetically support Obama and could care less about issues, or substance. The dashing young liberal from Illinois has no experience, no plan , no substance, nothing. Name a single accomplishment attributed to Obama. Their are none. The Dems apathy is seen in the fact that Obama's great popularity comes from voters who could care less about why he is running but only that he is running. They like him because he has 'charisma'.

Hillary Clinton's people assumed the same thing. McCain's are doing the same. This is why both are losing.
 
Mon Jul 28, 12:42:00 PM
I do know what McGranpa says he will do and I DO NOT LIKE ONE LITTLE BIT OF IT. I’ll take my chances with Obama, thank you. I know he can do no worse than Bush and I know that McCheese Isle is a carbon copy of bush so why would I want a rerun of the last 7 years?
 
It'd be cool if they announced the winner like they do at the academy awards. The envelope please, and the winner is ...
 
Obama went to Germany and gave a stirring speech before over 200,000 cheering and American flag waving Germans while McBush went to a German restaurant and talked to ten bored and bewildered diners.
 
How can McCain keep saying that the "surge" has been so effective while at the same time saying that pulling troops out would be disastrous?
If the surge was so successful then the result would be stabilization which in turn would mean that troops could be withdrawn. If it has not resulted in the desired stabilization then it was clearly an effective temporary treatment but far from the cure McCain has been claiming. It can't be both.
 
I’ll take my chances with Obama, thank you. I know he can do no worse than Bush and I know that McCheese Isle is a carbon copy of bush so why would I want a rerun of the last 7 years?

Unlike irresponsible liar Bush, McCain is an honest, down to earth, common sense candidate who believes in an accountable government. He offers us revitalized economic growth and opportunity whereas Bush put us into a recession. Most of all he offers us a return the dignity of traditional values.
 
anon 2:15,
Are you serious?

Explain just the "revitalized growth" you say he offers us. As specifically as possible, please.
 
Revitalized growth = Putting our Social Security into the stock market so they can steal that too.
 
Bush's financial guru, Greenspan, is McCain's financial guru. Nuff said.
 
Unlike irresponsible liar Bush, McCain is an honest, down to earth, common sense candidate who believes in an accountable government.

Then why is he lying about Obama's visits with injured soldiers?
 
McCain is probably very sorry at this moment that he dared Obama to go to Iraq. That might go down in the list of rhetorical blunders which include "bring em on."
 
Mon Jul 28, 02:15:00 PM
Most of all he offers us a return the dignity of traditional values.
Like dump your wife when she has been handicapped by an accident and has put on a few pounds and marry the rich heiress that you have been dating for months while married to the soon to be rejected wife? Those traditional values?
 
Keating's traditional values.
 
There's a scary article at consortiumnews about McCain's dive into crazy negative attacks and further calls into question whether he has a temperament suitable for a president which was written by a former congressional aid who has known him for many years and even liked him.
 
It's just about August. If we're still in the same holding pattern in a month, I'd say somebody's starting to put the writing on the wall. Timing Obama's acceptance speech on the 40th anniversary of "I have a Dream" is pure genius. Well, actually, maybe it's kind of obvious. But it should work anyway.

If it's looking like a blow-out come October, well, let's just say I don't feel comfortable. I have yet to vote for a presidential candidate who won more than 50 percent of the vote. Remember, the anti-Christ is supposed to talk peace.

Still, something can happen between now and November. I'm not sure what at this point, but it's going to have to be something dramatic because people really want to vote the optimism.
 
All I can figure out is that Obama must have walked on McCain's lawn at some time to incur all this pent up rage.
 
Obamarxist
 
5:27 said: "All I can figure out is that Obama must have walked on McCain's lawn at some time to incur all this pent up rage."

5:27, then how do you account for the hatred put forward by hannity, limbaugh, medved, bortz, right wing bloggers, and so on? did Obama walk on ALL of their lawns?

I think its more about fear of losing power. the white good old boys who have run this country for the last 200 years have alot to lose. Watch how badly they are foaming at the mouth about Obama as they back a completely ignorant and nasty man named john "oil spill" mcCANE.
 
It will be interesting to see what nasty evidence turns up once the pathological secrecy ends and sunlight is allowed into the White House again. That may be a part of what they fear. I hear Paraguay doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US. I wonder how many Bush is taking with him.
 
The Boys From Paraguay just doesn't have the same cognitive alliteration. It's Dubai. Cheney's firm has already been doing the ground work for the NeoCon Sanctuary/Sanitorium. Who do you think is behind all the oil speculation that's been driving prices up? Gotta have that nest egg to retire with.
 
Explain just the "revitalized growth" you say he offers us. As specifically as possible, please.

Well for starters he'll boost the economy by cutting taxes, providing refundable tax credits for working families with health insurance, building nuclear power plants, and promoting free trade. Next he will give us a health plan that will serve the middle class, those who need it, instead of those very few at the top. He then will proceed to engage a plan to retrain workers who lose their jobs to overseas plants. But the part I like best is that he'll make it easier for small businesses to hire and grow. Believe me, that's critical because small business is the one place in the economy that is still adding jobs. If that doesn't convince you than I'm afraid nothing will.
 
Update on the Katie Couric/CBS/McCain GaffeGate Tape splice job:

CBS is now claiming that "a young producer under deadline time pressures" was responsible for the video cut and paste job.

Notice how similar that is to the explanation of the Cindy McCain Recipe Caper?
These GOP ass-putzes just keep sticking their dicks in the cookie jar and when they get caught doing it, they ask a 5 year old to come up with an excuse for them.
I wonder who the kid is?
 
Paraguay is nicer year round and the Bushs did buy a very larch ranch there.

As to McCain stimulating the economy with tax cuts, those are just high interest, long term loans that will further increase the debt and devalue the dollar even more which, apparently no one has told McCain, is how we got to where we are today. What a friggin dunce!
 
How do they explain doing it TWICE? CBS also edited out a McCain mistake about Iraq being the first major conflict post 9/11.
 
Well for starters he'll boost the economy by cutting taxes

The very mantra that brought the economy to where it is. We've been there and done that, over and over again. It doesn't work.
 
Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is a sign of insanity.
 
The jury is out on whether JFK accidentally said "I am a jelly donut" but it's pretty clear he and his friend Nikita almost managed to destroy all life on our dear planet back in October 1962.

Obama is the new JFK. Everybody says so.

And it must be true. Obama recently said that if our nuclear bomb-laden ally Pakistan wouldn't track Osama bin Laden down, Obama would invade Pakistan and do it himself.

It would be a perfect opportunity for today's young people to re-live the utter terror we lived through in our youth thanks to our generation's shining knight of the Democratic Party.
 
I am so much more afraid of a hair trigger tempered, senile old man like Obama starting a nuclear holocaust than the brilliant and calm McCain. or something like that Didn't Obama sing a song about Bomb Bomb something or other?That was so cute and I am sure the rest of the world just loved it.
 
Cutting taxes, cutting taxes, cutting taxes, for the rich rich rich. Yeah that has worked out well. Reagan did it and doubled the debt. Sure it helped the economy but then Old Man Bush did it too and instead of paying off the debt he … doubled it again. Wowie. That was fun except it put the economy on edge of recession. In comes the Democrat Clinton and after a few years , hey what’s that? A surplus. Wowie. In fact when he left office there was a $148,000,000,000 surplus and a plan to pay down the debt for years and years to come. Thank god we got another Republican to take his place. Thank god even more it was a Bush. Thank god even even more it was Chimpie Bush. A spend spend spend Republican. Double em up Bush. Yes he doubles the debt again. The apple of his daddy’s eye. Oh don’t forget cutting the taxes on the richest people in the world. God knows they can hardly afford it. All of this tax cutting and deficit spending has cost your rich jerks much more than you save by not paying taxes. Your money has lost 50% of it’s value over Bush’s term. It cost you 50% more for the stuff you have to buy to have your fun and supply your corporate needs. It even has affected Reggae on the River® er… ah… Reggae Rising. Just ask them. It costs over 50% more to go visit your châteaux in Europe. It cost over 50% more for your limo. It cost over 50% more fly your private jet. This is all because of the huge deficit spending and borrowing that Bush done in the past 7 years. The only thing it hasn’t cost 50% more on is paying your illegal help. The rich were supposed to take the money and create jobs but they didn’t play along. Instead they took the money and bought $50,000,000 houses and put the rest offshore to save even more taxes and then shipped as many jobs as they possibly could from their corporations overseas too. And hired illegal aliens to cut their grass and clean their pools and wash their sheets and cook their meals and drive their cars. It is so hard to find good local help these days. It was/is as if they are saying “Fuck Americans.” Republicans wouldn’t say that would they? Like “Fuck the troops.” McPOW has said “fuck the troops” every time he has had a chance to vote or talk about bills in congress (Don’t even think about clicking on this link if you have dial up. It also takes a few seconds to load even on the fastest internet.) to help the troops. And don’t you dare, don’t you dare talk about McGrunpy’s POW record. He was a POW for god’s sake therefore he is qualified to be Presdunt of Amurka. But he knows how to win wars. How? Don’t ask damn it! Shit, Obama hasn’t even been to Afganeeestan and hasn’t been to Iraq in years, how would he know how to find it on a map. He probably thinks that Iraq and Afganeeeestan border each other…. Oh, wait, never mind. So Barrak Hussein has the audacity to go see for himself. How dare he show off his 40ft. jumper before the cameras.
 
they took the money and bought $50,000,000 houses and put the rest offshore

This is a fabrication. As is 99% of the rest of your overly dramatic bullshit. Let's see some sources if you're going to spout off. Next time leave the drama at home and try bringing some intelligence about the issues to the table, you f(%&#ing moron.
 
If you are defending John McGreenspan and are going to vote for him I suggest that you are the moron.
 
I'm just wondering how many new jobs Cindy McCain will create with her permanent tax cuts? Will they be enough to counter the layoffs at Budweiser now that that American institution has been sold to a Belgian company?

And the 400 million $$$ man, Rushbo. Might he employ some Blackwater security guards to protect his forehead from some militant leftist playing laser tag on it? Really now, how many jobs will he personally create - besides Dominican Republic child prostitutes?
 
employ some Blackwater security guards to protect his forehead from some militant leftist playing laser tag on it?

It's impossible to hold an intelligent conversation with wingnuts. Your whole county has gone to pot.
 
Well, fool, if you don’t think there are people spending their tax windfall on pricey real estate how do you account for these “homes”.Ron Baron, founder of Baron Capital Management-$$$103,000,000.

Granted this was sold to a feriner (Russian) but you can bet he saved a bundle with the McSame/Bush tax cuts; Trump Closes Sale on 95 (100) Million Dollar Home in Palm Beach.

This might tickle your foolish mind 95 Million Dollar Connecticut Estate For Sale By Liberty Travel Founder.

150 Million Dollar Condo Deal at New York Cities “The Mark”.

Then we have $$$$55,000,000 12 br 12 ½ ba 10,000 sqft Single-Family Home.

Here is a bargain at $$$40,000,000 7 br 7 ba Single-Family Home.


A little ski chalet to get away to for the weekend? $58,000,000 20,000 sqft Single-Family Home .


These were were all found with just a 1 ½ minute search on Google. And you have to realize home prices are just not what they use to be because of the Bush/McDipshit economic policies. But rest assure you can now find your second or third home for more or less $$$25,000,000.
Fool! Yes you are a fool if you don’t think that there not are a large number of people who have made 10s of millions of $$$ and saved themselves millions and millions of $$$$$$ because of the McSame/Bush tax policies. There are many Wall Street traders and hedge fund managers and others who make 10s of millions and $100s of millions and even billions of $$$ who are paying taxes as capitol gains thereby saving themselves 10, 20, 50, and more millions of $$$ a year. Thank god McGrandpa/Bush are looking out for the important people of this country. You foolish little person.
 
Tue Jul 29, 09:10:00 AM
As long as you want to spew the neocon formula talking points be expected to have them countered. Just because you don’t like the way it is done, don’t bury your head in the sand, moron.
 
You're dreaming. Is that all you can do? Spout off and BS? I'm not in the least interested in running in circles to counter your narcissistic ranting. But now I'm the one who's dreaming. To ask a raving lunatic to make sense doesn't make sense now does it.
 
Yes, I figured you would find it too difficult to comprehend. It’s the reason you and your critical thinking handicapped ilk voted for Bush and thus the reason we are in the state of affairs we are in right now. Go ahead and vote for the crazy old man. You can join in with the rest of us later.
 
My friend you may think that you are thinking critically but I am afraid to tell you --you're full of it. You go off on a lunatic right bashing rant and ignore every valid point I make. Talking to you is like trying to communicate with a television set tuned to one station.
 
Tue Jul 29, 01:12:00 PM
Are you the one who said:
And it must be true. Obama recently said that if our nuclear bomb-laden ally Pakistan wouldn't track Osama bin Laden down, Obama would invade Pakistan and do it himself.

It would be a perfect opportunity for today's young people to re-live the utter terror we lived through in our youth thanks to our generation's shining knight of the Democratic Party.
at Mon Jul 28, 11:37:00 PM?
I’ll respond to that; Obama said that if there was intelligence that said there was a high value target in Pakistan he would unilaterally act on that intelligence. He said it during a debate. He was lambasted by everybody, especially the right wing. Guess what? A few weeks later the Bush administration did exactly what Obama said he would do and was lambasted for saying it. Can you say hypocrisy?
I’m not sure what to make of your other statement. If you are trying to say that the Cuban missile crisis was John Kennedy’s fault it is the first time I have ever heard such a thing. Everything I have read and heard over the last 45 years has been how well he handled the situation and in the end the proof is in the results. Maybe I am misunderstanding what your meaning was? Or are you getting your talking points from Sean Hannity?
 
Is this the vallid points you are talking about?
“Well for starters he'll boost the economy by cutting taxes, providing refundable tax credits for working families with health insurance, building nuclear power plants, and promoting free trade.”

Cutting taxes for the rich will not fix the economy. It is what helped get us into this mess. Because the Republicans always run up huge deficits it is left to the Democrats to find a way to pay off the debt. The Republicans always pull this shit. Borrow borrow borrow but never pay for anything. In fact it just came out that Bush is going to leave a $480,000,000,000 deficit for next year…. AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PRICE OF THE WAR!!!!! And McSame wants to cut taxes? McLame says he want(ed) to have a gas tax holiday. That is insane. There is not one economist who says that that is a good idea. That money goes for building bridges and fixing roads and other infrastructure. In fact, because of the price of gas the government has taken in $3,000,000,000 less because of less gas being bought. The really stupid thing is that this “gas tax holiday” gimmick would save about $60 per family for the summer. BFD. And cost billions and billions of $$$. Smart move McLame. Cutting taxes is not going to help the economy fella. Bush got us into this mess and McSame’s plan is… well… more of the same of course.
I hate to tell you this but McSame’s heath care fix is basically the same Bush’s has been for the past 7 years. It doesn’t work.
The only thing I will say about nuclear power is that people say when it is thoroughly analyzed from start to finish it is as polluting as any other kind of power. I worry about the danger of it but maybe, just maybe it has been made safe enough now. It would have to be proven to me. There is no solution for the waste either. Sounds good but of course they don’t talk about the difficult issues.
I hate to tell you this but free trade has been a disaster. It has cost millions of U.S. jobs. Don’t even go there.
 
And it must be true. Obama recently said that if our nuclear bomb-laden ally Pakistan wouldn't track Osama bin Laden down, Obama would invade Pakistan and do it himself.

This is simply not true.
 
I’m not sure what to make of your other statement. If you are trying to say that the Cuban missile crisis was John Kennedy’s fault it is the first time I have ever heard such a thing. Everything I have read and heard over the last 45 years has been how well he handled the situation and in the end the proof is in the results.

He ended up giving away our missiles in Turkey and Greece!
 
How McCheesy!
 
It had already been determined that those missiles in Turkey and Greece were going to have to be removed before. It was also a negotiation. If for some reason Kennedy would not remove those missiles then the crises would have been much closer to a result that could have ended the world as we know it. The whole missile crisis when all was said and done has gone down in history as one of the greatest accomplishments by a statesman in history. I surely would not want to be on the side of trying to frame the way the crisis was handled as a debacle.
 
I don't want to even imagine George Bush or John McSame in the confrontation that Kennedy was it. Oh my god.
On the other hand I could imagine Obama having the ability of negotiating his way out of a similar situation. The intelligence difference is astounding. Stupid men do stupid things. Would like to try to defend either McSame's or Bush's intelligence?
 
Yes sir, we can have tax cuts AND fight expensive military global wars on terrorism indefinitely,(or victory will turn into defeat), at the same time.
Makes complete rational sense to me. No sane intelligent person who carries a wallet full of maxed out plastic could possibly refute the concept: Buy more and just make smaller monthly payments. That's the sure fire way out of debt.
 
For those of you posters that are having a difficult time understanding the MCCain's Got it All Covered poster, there is a segment of neo-con backers who's economic viewpoint is; so what if the national debt climbs into the stratosphere and the interest payments alone on that debt will strip all other programs of funding. That's a good thing!

Plus, with our new position as World's Biggest Deadbeat Nation,(to go with our #1 Polluter status), we'll be in the driver's seat with China, Europe, the A-Rabs and just about everybody else we owe our and our fucking grandchildren's asses to and we can dictate the terms under which they'll get maybe a penny on the dollar back, if they're lucky and play nice with us.

Unfortunately, these Neo-conomists don't take into consideration what kind of effect that will have on the value of the dollar. Think, Germany after WWI, idiots.
 
If you exclude either Reagan or Bush, Jr. - either one of them increased the budget and size of federal government more than all of the other presidents combined, Roosevelt included. It's beyond ironic.
 
Like I said talking to you is like talking to a television locked to one station. You are nothing but a bunch of whiners obsessed with this constant whining and complaining. America in decline etc. etc. Thank God the economy is not as bad as you liberals would have us believe. Bush, Reagan, et al, sure, but what have you to say with any modicum of intelligence about McCain's ITU strategy, or his plan for loosening China's strict capital controls? And on another note, how about his hard line on Muslim apostasy? An Obama presidency would no doubt bring more sabre-rattling than McCain's would on every front, from China’s currency to the need for environmental and labor standards. Think for a minute if you are capable of that long of an attention span, don't you think that the one who gains from a corporate tax cut depends on whether those lower corporate taxes merely boost shareholders’ returns or also bring higher wages? Hello? McCain will bring you idiots economic security in spite of yourselves. But I am sure this is all too much for your little pea brains to take in all at one time. Maybe I should tell you the story of Chicken Little instead, but than you wouldn't get that either.
 
A true 20%er.
Things have never been better, right? There’s a chicken for every pot but the stupid liberals don’t know how to get it. They want it for free. Right? You get credit card offers every day in the mail. Why don’t you sign up? You don’t even have to worry about going bankrupt because they won’t let you. Problem solved. I have never thought of the corporations giving their new found wealth from tax cuts to their employees. There it wars eight under out noses. In fact I’ll bet those $20,000,000 CEOs are going to slash their salaries and stock options so they can hire a few more out of work collage grads. What a beautiful country John McAsshole is going to give us. Oh by the way, McSame’s tax cuts are off the table. Haven’t you heard?
 
You are nothing but a bunch of whiners obsessed with this constant whining and complaining.

Phil Gramm speaks! Welcome.
 
I repeat, --stuck on one station. The babble, rant, and whine station Please, let's try to discuss the talking points I brought up one by one --starting with McCain's ITU strategy. Obama would rather risk WW3.
 
What's an ITU?
 
Washington post is accusing McCain of lying.
 
McShame lying? Lying? I'm shocked. shocked I tell you!
 
What the hell is ITU?
 
Immigration Terrorist Ultimatum you dipshit. The common sense border control strategy that he proposed in June. If you are not going to vote for him at least know what your voting against.
 
Sorry Needle Dick but your Immigration Terrorist Ultimatum doesn't exist.
 
Oh, dear, is his June ITU acronym anything like his January RUTMIICDT acronym?

Round Up Two Million Illegal Immigrant Criminals and Deport Them?
 
P.S. But he will not, I repeat, McCain will not, roundup the grandmothers of our soldiers.
 
Unless they are Criminals, of course.
 
Then he'll be all over them like flies on an open faced burrito.
 
-corporations giving their new found wealth from tax cuts to their employees. There it wars eight under out noses.

Sorry assfloss but your eight wars don't exist either.
 
Sorry assfloss detritus, butt (hehe) it was early and I didn’t have time to reread what I wrote but….
These corporations have had Bush loopholes and tax incentives and the rich have had their tax cuts for 7 years now and how has that helped the economy, uh Milton Friedman? I hope you don’t want to say the economy would have been worse without the Bush intervention.
 
Corporations, as a general rule, do not use tax cuts to hire (new) employees. Tax cuts may go into Executive Bonuses, and perks. Stockholders demand their cut of the cut. And certain team players, like MSM personalities,or other good dutiful salespeople who help the sales effort with bottom line revenue and electing the right man, certainly can lay claim to a piece of the action and do.
If you've never worked in or for a corporation, especially those that are part of a bigger conglomerate family, I can assure you, politics is played all the time. Careers are built or destroyed by it.
Corporations only hire when their product sales, contracts, or ratings increase to justify it not because they just got a tax cut.

Governments spending creates more jobs directly and pumps money directly into the economy, not filtered through some privatized board room. but that's Socialism. bah, humbug. Or an earmark.
 
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