Wednesday, September 24, 2008

 

Breaking: Hoedown ( second correction) WILL NOT be moved to the Mateel Hall

Refer to the most recent post above.

Comments:
Permits? I don't want to focus on that right now. Katherine Lobato ex MCC director current park director quoted from the KMUD news.
 
Great. Another anonymous personal attack in lieu of discussion.
 
No one posted and anonymous personal attack that IS a quote from Ms. Labato's KMUD interview. Perhaps you should listen to her interview. You can find it in the KMUD archives.
 
Yeah, but I agree with anonymous number 2. The point is to pillory her. It adds nothing to the discussion and is not productive.
 
Ok. Lets not focus on that Eric.
 
I seem to recall that within less than a year after the Community Park became a reality with a down payment to McKee, the MCC was in league with Steve Dazey, in a behind the scenes attempt to get a CUP and permanent concert site zoning for the place without anyone being the wiser.
Somebody, I think it was Virginia Graziani, got wind of their attempt and exposed it. There followed an angry meeting at the Masonic Hall with many residents of the Sprowel Creek area and a public apology was made by Dazey for the sneakiness of it all.

Then a few years later they proceed to have events down there anyway without permits and now this "miscommunications"?!
You'd have thought they would have learned a lesson by now, but some habits die hard.
It gets equally hard to feel sorry for them at this point.

Grow up, MCC and SHCP.
 
Ok. Lets not focus on that Eric.

Sounds good to me as it doesn't pertain to anything other than as an awkward response to a question she couldn't answer.
 
Then a few years later they proceed to have events down there anyway without permits and now this "miscommunications"?!

Well, there's more to the story, but the discussion would lead to fingerpointing and nobody directly involved wants to go there. They'd rather act productively and come up with solutions. I know that's a foreign concept to some.
 
copied fromm the earlier thread...


"... the MCC and the Community Park think that they are above the law and process and don't need permits and an EIR for the many large concerts they plan to hold throughout the years. I'm not feeling sorry for them one bit. Poor planning and total disregard for the process on their part is not something to take pity on."

So I guess you know something nobody else does about the "many large concerts" planned. This sounds like exactly the testimony of Carol Bruno and Tom Dimmick during the recent trial over Reggae on the River. They spoke clearly of their fears that Mateel planned to develop the Community Park so they could move Reggae from Piercy to the Park. There was no evidence then and there is no evidence now. What's their role now in pushing the County to stop these events? It certainly could affect their own plans at the Dimmick Raunch.

MCC has been working to move the Summer Arts Festival to the Park for several years, as Benbow becomes more and more expensive. They and the Park have not made that secret. Is this community-based and well-loved event what you mean by "large concerts?"

For the first two Hoedowns, MCC actually did get specific permits from the County. But this year the Park was in the process of putting plans and permits in place for its overall structure, not just for the Mateel. County planners had given assurances that the Hoedown and one other event could go forward while that planning process continued. Now the folks at the County have apparently changed their minds. It would have been easy for MCC to follow the same process as it had previously if the County's planners had indicated that it was needed.
 
the hoe down will happen... and at our community park. this is official!!
 
it sounds to me like pp and td are at work with the planning commission to try to make it impossible for anyone else to have any festivals or concerts, other than themselves. the COMMUNITY PARK and the COMMUNITY CENTER, along with any other COMMUNITY groups, go hand in hand. they are us, community,,,,,,,,,, td and cb on the other hand, PRETEND to be us, but they are like gw, good ole boys, only wanting our money, at any cost to us as a community. we have never been so divided as we are now, thanks to "sister" carol, and td, and let us not forget pb. they live in a bubble, and don't care about the harm they have injected us all with.
 
"the hoe down will happen... and at our community park. this is official"!!

What do you mean, "this is official" Did SHCP get a County permit for the Hoedown? If so, homes in the area have not been notified of the CUP or event. Did some one circumvent the system to get what they wanted, like always?????
 
That's it 3:53. Blame PP,PB and Carol. It's their fault the MCC has gotten themselves into this mess. It had nothing to do, we're sure, with somebody not doing what they were supposed to do regarding going through all the tedious motions you have to go through to get an okay from the planning dept to stage a public event....But we thought it was okay is not an excusable defense for bungling. I am really sorry for all the people who put a lot of effort, I'm sure, to get this event up and running. Somebody should have been overseeing the overseer.
 
AGAIN.
 
What goes around comes around.
 
That's it 3:53. Blame PP,PB and Carol. It's their fault the MCC has gotten themselves into this mess.

What did the MCC do wrong?
 
No conspiracy here, but a lot of uypset neighbors. The Community park needs to put their neighbors first, and to be good environmental stewards of the open space. They need public oversight and openness, and they need to respect the wildlife there--it's not a good venue when the impacts on the people living nearby and the rare birds and other wildlife in that beautiful open space.

The Park should have open meetings--they ask for public donations but don't want public oversight--yet they are a non-profit. Aren't they supposed to make their minutes and meetings public?
 
Most of the neighbors are doing just fine. There are a few whiners making a lot of noise of their own.
 
Yes, she is briefly back, having left due to the realization that she probably knew a lot of people she really didn't want to know but they were all anonymous.

Bluegrass/folk/leaning into country; these are the musical productions that focus on political activism. Civil rights, immigration issues, anti-war, changing government. It's an important part of our history and largely unamplified. Some of the greatest musicians in the country play it. What's so wrong with peace love and understanding and what more beautiful place to share it?

Everyone acts as if non-profit means operating on no money. Or there's the grant theory. Our government is more interested in bailing out for profit institutions these days. In the beginning, I said that if 1000 people gave 250 dollars to the Mateel they could make it. It's not happening. Then there's the Park's survival. And schools and healthcare. None of these entities are making money, nor does anyone appear interested in taking on their support. So, they do what they can. Trying to provide in the process a variety of things to choose from.

These are not expensive events for what they give you back. They allow bike trails, walking trails, farms, local theater, skate ramps to happen. Blue Lake raised 165,000 for their skate park, doing a benefit. That's how it happens. The terms of the MCC/TDPP settlement do not allow the survival of the center. What more natural alignment than the center and the park? KMUD would be good to. And all other non-profits who want more than a one night bar. Why is it okay for our non-profits to be bars? I know I digress but it bothers me.
 
"Most of the neighbors are doing just fine. There are a few whiners making a lot of noise of their own". Wed Sep 24, 05:46:00 PM.

So I take it you live down by SHCP. The only whiners I know making a lot of noise of their own is Randall Sand & Gravel.

Unless you lived, grew up, and owned a house and property, right across the river from Tooby Park since 1966, went to school in Garberville, when there was a school, know every inch of ground and river in a 20 mile range of Tooby Park, before there was a Tooby Park, shut the FUCK UP....Don't speak for me.

Don't you ever think you can talk for any of the people who have to put up with the SHCP bullshit. Your about as dumb as a sack of hair.

My name is Ed Voice, what is your name, asshole!!!!!
 
I think bluegrass in the park until 11:00pm sounds great, everlast blasting until 2:00am in the park doesn't sound so good. Everlast blasting at shoreline amphitheater sounds good also. wrong band for the venue, simply put, keep up with the wrong type of acts and the neighborhood will complain very loudly.
 
AHM DARNED SICK AND TARD O THIS SHYT.I WANTZ MAH HOEDOWN..AUNT DOOGY AND THEM HILL PEOPLE IZ COMIN...
 
I don't question the necessity for fund raisers for non-profits. That's not the problem here.

There appears to be confusion on the permit process: They had them for Hoedown in the past;then they didn't; but it's all the county's fault anyway. Neighbors are complaining about noise levels and duration, and those are specific complaints which the MCC did acknowledge. Next, we hear it's just a few complaining neighbors who might also be PP sympathizers that are the problem.

I have to stop here and put on my boots.

I don't know what "permits" they're talking about. If the MCC & the SHCP are going to be putting on large musical events like this, and others, they need a CUP and in that process neighbors must be notified within a certain distance - 300' from the property is the usual, which is ridiculous just considering the aerodynamics of sound ! All property owners at any distance can respond to the CUP, IF they know about it.
There would be an open hearing on it, much like the RR/RoR permits and I don't recall hearing anything about any of that. Were there open PC hearings? When was that?

The MCC had problems years ago down in Piercy about these same issues - expanding events and nobody talks to the natives. Just go on planning like nobody can stop you.
At the very least, the MCC again shows poor PR skills. The secret nature of the SHCP board also is contributory to that problem, great people all, notwithstanding.
 
My ten cents worth...

That wasn't the MCC that had those problems previously. That was the production company acting as their agent that created and "managed" those permits.

Secondly remember that the planning commission has now decided that permits "run with the property" until someone with enough money decides to sue the shit out of the county for that waffling position.

It is now a matter of public record that the new lovely venue of the Dimmick Ranch considered the investment in the community park as competition for their up and coming for profit venue.

It was also explained that after years of investing hundreds of thousands of dollars of the Mateel's money into a permit that Michael Richardson almost single-handedly slid over into Dimmick's hands (he deleted the Mateel's name off their own permit hundreds of times before the planning department ever saw it in 2007) while the commissioners put their hands in their ears, covered their eyes, and said it wasn't their problem that the Mateel since it is a nonprofit should put its money into another nonprofit venue. This made sense because at least the community then would have access to the assets paid for with community money and those assets would not be creating wealth for a private citizen.

Kathryn knows what she is doing and she understands the political scene at the county and she knows full well the schemes of PP supporters. Follow her lead. But when she yells fire this time the community needs to get a spine a whole lot faster and support her by showing up and protecting their own future recreational opportunities instead of waiting until the blood stops dripping to take a position.

And give the neighbors who are complaining some slack. They have a right to not have their privacy destroyed too. Talk with them, I know some of them and they are very reasonable people overall. Piercy people got pissy because they were promised things and then felt ignored.

And I'm not signing my post. Y'all know who this is or should by now anyhow.
 
One more thing. If a commercial business holds the keys to the only big music venue between here and the bigger cities then it is reasonable to conclude they will have total control over the content of the music and the types of partying that will develop in the community. The Mateel's mission for cultural diversity in music and arts is even more important than ever.
 
...The MCC had problems years ago down in Piercy about these same issues - expanding events and nobody talks to the natives. Just go on planning like nobody can stop you....

This surprises you? It worked. The County did nothing but look the other way and sign off on everything needed. Why wouldn't people imitate that way of doing things? That is the problem with government and it is called the slippery slope. Works the same with teenagers too if you got one you know what I mean.
 
Lets start with Human Nature: When things don't sound right, or look right, people question them. It's who we are as people, its are nature to ask questions. Go to any web site, you will normally see a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page. We question their motive, their reason, and most of all their judgment. And then, not because we don't get the answer we want to hear, but no reasonable answer at all.

In this situation with Concerts at SHCP and all the expansion plans in the works, people are questioned for asking questions, their loyalty is questioned for asking questions. Then everybody gets defensive. This normally means something is wrong, or at the least, not being done properly.

When you leave people in the dark, and have no say in their Community, people get mad, we are talking pitch forks and torches. The people are split in two, for what, another mans greed or gain, its a win win for him. Again this is human nature.

If this is a Community Park, for all to love, use and share together, then why can't the community know everything there is too know about it.

It seems to me, this thing called Community Park, is acting more like a private Corporation, not a non-profit public charity for the Community.

Since our family is a neighbor right across the river from SHCP (since 1966), and we consider ourselves stakeholders in the area, no one from SHCP has ever tried to talk with us, about any plans for changes being made by the Park. Why is that.

I know a lot of people don't like what I or my family are saying out loud. We just ask question about projects at effect our life, property and home. Just like anyone else would if they lived on a river, away from most the people, and were invaded by more and more and more business, machinery, noise, smells, cars, truck, trash, people and most of all, being told they have NO say in the matter when they were there first.

So if you wonder why I do what I do, and get so bent, come and live in my neck of the woods for awhile, see how you like the view.

Ed Voice, SFHS Class of 1975
Rivercrest Dr, Garberville, Ca

PS, The only dumb question, is the question not asked..........
 
Psssst... Whatever.....
It was alleged by the CEO in testimony that the attorney and COO for the production company stated that it it was OK to represent dual interests (clients).
The State Bar Of California has Rules of Professional Conduct;
Rule 3-310: Avoiding the Representation of Adverse Interests; This one refers to dual client representation
Rule 3-300: Avoiding Interests Adverse to a Client; This one refers to an attorney who has monetary interest in a same venture as a client.
Does being COO of a LLC fall under this rule?

When the renegotiations for the lease and where the original CUP site specific was issued to, that attorney was allegedly acting(CEO testimony)as a dual agent.
The lease and site and CUP was negotiated out the window by an attorney who specifically advised one client (according to official CEO testimony) that it was OK to act accordingly. There were BOD members that refused to sign the new deal.
One wonders if the Rules of Professional Conduct were acted upon accordingly would this latest problem be at issue?
 
Does anyone know if the School district has been paid for their shuttle contract?
I heard the new Principal of South Fork High on KMUD last night and he said that one of the continually rising cost was the diesel for the transportation of the students.
Is there any outstanding bills yet to be paid at the SHCHD?
When is the payment to the Mateel due???
 
Ed Voice,
I am a Mattel supporter.
I feel your pain. You have brought up some very valid issues. They should be addressed. I would assume that somebody from the Community Park will be in contact with you and the rest of the people in your neighborhood very soon. I don’t know this but it sure seems like the right thing to do.
I do take issue with you about your statement;
In this situation with Concerts at SHCP and all the expansion plans in the works, people are questioned for asking questions, their loyalty is questioned for asking questions. Then everybody gets defensive. This normally means something is wrong, or at the least, not being done properly.
This does not “normally” mean something’s done wrong or not properly. People get defensive for a lot of reasons. Personally I understand why they would be defensive in this situation.
Except for the missing “?” at the end of a sentence your post is well written and thought out and valid. Here’s hoping that the Community Park gets in touch with you as soon as possible regarding your concerns.
 
Does anybody know how many BOD members refused to sign the "new deal" or "settlement" as it was called?

There is a clause in the Mateel paperwork that states that the BOD can do nothing concerning the disposition of the major assets of the corporation, i.e. the land, the building and RotR, without a membership vote.

YES! When is the money due to the Mateel and have they received it? It would seem that almost 2 months after RR is more than enough time.

I love posting questions that no one answers.
 
The Mateel will probably never receive the money that is owed to them by those CORPORATE scoundrels!

The WORLD CLASS corporate music owner will probably declare bankruptcy in order to avoid paying.

Do I smell a sequel coming our way?
 
I love posting questions that no one answers.

Especially when no one cares.
 
I'm not sure it's relevant anymore what BOD members signed the contract. I do think that when the membership votes for board members in the upcoming election they should, once again, demand transparency and recall anyone who refuses to abide by their promises.
I believe payment is due momentarily. Whether it will happen is another question.
What is the legal percentage of a bar run in the name of a non-profit is another question.
 
11:43AM:
You are so WRONG about the commUNITY not caring. Show the Mateel the money.
Tic..Talk..Tic..Talk..Tic..Talk..
 
"That wasn't the MCC that had those problems previously. That was the production company acting as their agent that created and "managed" those permits."

I live in Piercy, and I distinctly remember the meeting held at the Hartsook Inn in December 2005, before the shit publicly hit the fan between the MCC and PP. True, it was PP's job to manage the permits. That said, Carol Bruno and Taunya Stapp stood back-to-back at that Hartsook meeting, imploring the Piercy residents for their understanding about how the attendance needed to be raised for the festival to keep making money, and how it wouldn't go up all in one year, blah blah blah.

Yeah, right.

You can hold PP responsible for a lot. But don't act like the MCC had no knowledge of what was going on. That's bullshit, plain and simple.
 
Read the transcripts it makes rather plain how knowledge and facts were kept from the Mateel's hands.
 
I attended that meeting and it wasn't back to back one was there to listen and the other one because the county demanded they meet with Piercy. It broke down into a yelling match when someone accused PP of lining their own pockets. Go back and read Cristina's account of it. You can be angry but don't cloud the history we have enough people doing that already.
 
Did you ever think that maybe the Mateel believed what Carol Bruno was telling them?
 
Yep, I remember Cristina's article and it is how 1:42pm describes the meeting.

Little did the Mateel know that another corporate bunch of opportunists would betray them as they have done.
 
I had a dream last night that the land owner bought out the producer leaving most of the producers workers out in the cold without benefits or retirement and that the land owner filed for non profit status so he could keep all the bar receipts/profits for himself.
 
NEWSFLASH:

There is some real sh_t that went down and will soon become public knowledge about the new relationship / ownership of the new reggae show on the river. Stay tuned for full details.

Eric get ready for the next drama chapter in the battle over ownership of the river show.
 
10:04 -- Perhaps you might be kind enough to fill in a few details of this next big Mateelian drama!
 
Since the Mateel has nothing to do with Reggae Rising and the Dimmick Ranch this will not and is not a Mateelian drama. I view it as a Tom Dimmick and Carol Bruno saga/drama.
 
No...It can't be.

Now cb is being disrespected by td?
 
Excuse me. When Deerhawk composed the poem it was about the Mateel nation. NOT the Mateel Hall. Your correction only shows your need to marginalize and divide us and them style. We are the Mateel. Some of the Mateel nation belongs to the institution The Mateel Comunity Center Inc. Some don't.
 
i had another dream that there was a payment that was due to the MCC yesterday.

any news as to if the principals are People of Honor?

or will they ever be?
 
That's like Republicans saying they're good Americans, it just don't fly anymore.
 
So Danny Sher and TD, of course PB still has his finger in the pie, buy out Carol. At last the golden parachute, now go away and leave us alone.
 
They are still ALL in it together.

They are just republicans in democrat clothing.

They will never redeem themselves.
 
For all of your information Dansun a.k.a. Danny Scher bailed from any and all association with Carol Bruno, Tom Dimmick and the river show. He got out two years ago. I wish you all would stop throwing him in the mix. It really shows your ignorance and lack of correct / current information.
 
I copied these from the other thread where the PR person posted the same garbage.

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"For all of your information Dansun a.k.a. Danny Scher bailed from any and all association with Carol Bruno, Tom Dimmick and the river show. He got out two years ago. I wish you all would stop throwing him in the mix. It really shows your ignorance and lack of correct / current information."

Two years ago? That would make it 06? I can tell you that is patently false information. If Eric wants verification of it please say so and I will make sure he gets it.

Fri Sep 26, 02:42:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Woah Horsey there just a minute. There was advertising made for either the 07 or 08 reggae rising event I remember seeing that said Dansun, Dimmick Ranch and People Productions present...

Spin that.

Fri Sep 26, 02:46:00 PM
 
1:42 and 2:48, I was referring to the first meeting at the Hartsook Inn, which was in December 2005. The meeting you're referring to, where PP's financials were called into question by the Piercy people, was the second meeting, in January 2006. Just so we're clear (I'm not disagreeing with either of you).
 
Doesn't matter both were not in attendance at both those meetings. .
 
Danny Scher bailed from any and all association with Carol Bruno, Tom Dimmick, and the river show......

Sounds interesting.
 
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