Monday, October 27, 2008

 

Meet Estelle before you vote - tomorrow in Fortuna

From Carol and Greg's blog.

Estelle Fennell, Candidate for Second District Supervisor.


You can meet her Tuesday at 5:30 at her Open House Fennell Campaign HQ, 11th & Main, Fortuna.

Comments:
My god Greg and Carol have drank the KoolAid!

Scenarios for her loss:

Cliff Wins: Clifs campaign was mean and nasty. They bullied Estelle. A Democrat could only lose through malfeasance. We're Greg and Carol and we're always right!

Johanna Wins: Estelle is no spoiler. It was Clif who was the spoiler, just because he's not a Democrat. How dare you blame Estelle, you're at fault because you didn't vote for Estelle, the best candidate ever. We're Greg and Carol and we're always right!

This election has exposed these two for the phonies they are.
 
They're advocating for their candidate 10:22, as are you. Don't make it personal.
 
Pick Clif!
 
Sorry, but it's Greg, Carol and others like them who have given this race to Johanna. Hope I'm wrong. But I for one never thought Johanna's supporters were so dumb that they couldn't write her name and fill in a bubble at the same time. Greg and Carol do though.

Legacies come out of campaigns. This is not a legacy I would want.
 
I just cannot get the view of Estelle up on stage with Carol Bruno, PB and the other People's Production crew. It is about judgment.
 
It's okay, Eric. 10:22 has it about right, but we're not phoney in our support for Estelle and we are not always right, either.

Estelle is the best candidate for everyone in the 2nd District, it's that simple. If Johanna can pull 3000 write-in votes (at least), then she deserves to win.

Clif? Here, I'll post a letter I wrote to a progressive Democratic friend from McKinleyville:

Hi, Chuck –

No need to be circumspect. This is a time to be clear. Estelle has been very clear about her approach to land use planning, which is to recognize all stake-holders and include them in the planning process. She has not fallen into the Clendenen camp’s attempt to frame the campaign by backing some unfinished “option” and is not in line behind anyone else, including those you call “pro-planning”. Estelle is as pro-planning as anyone, but more critical perhaps of the status quo than some have been. She has been quite outspoken about the ridiculous waste of tax dollars by the county in their failed pursuit to resolve the Tooby Ranch dispute near Garberville, and quite rightly. Maybe she would end up voting for Plan A, but she wants to be in a position to ask questions first.

Not only is Estelle Fennell much more qualified to be a county supervisor than Clif, she is also a very courageous, hard-working and proven public servant. Clif has been decline-to-state since 1981 and has not ever, to my knowledge, been involved in local government or political activism. Attending a couple of city planning meetings as a neighboring property-owner does not qualify him to be a county supervisor. Not only has the City of Fortuna refused to honor Martin Luther King Day during this time, the city actually changed it’s legal form from General Law to Charter specifically for the purpose of evading prevailing wage laws. Clif was nowhere in evidence, nor were any of his supporters.

The Central Committee did the best thing for the party and the community by unanimously endorsing Estelle Fennell in the 2nd District. There were two abstentions, both of whom are affiliated with the same group of anti-Rodoni people that has been running losing candidates in that district for the past twenty years. Many of Clif’s supporters remain in the Green Party despite the obvious need to get involved with the Democratic Party as the only realistic option to more Republican control. In their defense, they have had little to work with and little support outside their own circle. My main point: Estelle would make the best county supervisor both at the courthouse and out in the district where real people need real help every day.

Feel free to pass this e-mail along to anyone you like. I believe Estelle will win this race. Like Larry Glass, she is the kind of new local Democrat we should be supporting, both with an eye toward good local government and a view of the future need to field candidates for state legislative seats. If you would like to meet her or visit with her about her campaign, she is having an Open House at her Fortuna HQ Tuesday at 5:30. For a better look at her campaign and the people who support her, please visit http://www.estellefennell.org.

Best,

Greg
 
Estelfish will be a third place winner.
 
gee, 6:51am, how about this image:
Estelle out in a parking lot at 5am with her team at Reggae on the River (for years and years) dealing with thousands of people and cars, helping to raise funds for the MCC.

Or Estelle on the radio praising the Summer arts fair, encouraging people to attend.

It's true Estelle has the support of People Productions, she worked with them for years, raising Mateel money,but she never worked at Reggae Rising.
She also has the support of a number of MCC board members as well as many of the MCC membership, such as myself.
It's really sad that you attempt to keep trying to bring up this tired old non-issue.
Estelle has long been a supporter
of the Mateel.
Everyone in this Mateel household will be voting for Estelle.
 
It would make no difference for me who Estelle is competing against for the office of 2nd district supervisor. I’m voting for her because she IS the best candidate for the job. Neither Johanna nor Clif are so terrible that they won’t do a good job if elected. They are both honorable and dedicated people.

I have had the opportunity of walking door to door with Estelle and have shared the privilege of seeing the light come on in people heads after talking to her for a few minutes. She never rushes ahead but takes the time to answer peoples questions when asked. She answers the questions truthfully. Most people will say that, even when they don’t agree with her. Many people have said that they are glad that she took the time to come by and that they will definitely vote for her.

The strategy of throwing your vote away because you are afraid that Johanna or Clif will win by default is just plain paranoid.

Vote for Estelle she is the clear choice. She has the qualification, the dedication, and the energy to give us our best representation.

I’m vote my conscience, I know that Estelle is our best choice.
 
I've known Greg for only a little while, but I've known Carol for 25 years.

Carol, like Estelle, is straight forward, clear thinking, and has my respect.

Whoever has been attacking Carol and Greg is expressing the negative campaigning that seems to be focus of Clif's people.

And Eric, telling people that in your opinion Estelle can't win in Fortuna is negative to the max. Yes, your opinion, and yes, it is diminishing Clif's opponent to make him look better. You do not gain my respect.
 
Clif has owned and operated a business and there fore is more qualified to deal with a county budget.
Estelle is a radio personality.
 
Estelle has been very clear about her approach to land use planning, which is to recognize all stake-holders and include them in the planning process.

And the other two candidates oppose this? It doesn't say anything about her own thoughts Greg. It sounds like she wants to see where the wind blows before taking a stand of her own, if then. Certainly she's spoken with enough of these stake-holders to have put together some thoughts not merely on process, but on substance. It's fine if she doesn't like any of the current proposals. She's had nearly a year to put forth one or more of her own.

This is the problem. I know Estelle isn't wishy-washy. She has definite views about the world and the community - many views I respect and agree with. But she can't speak them. She has to accommodate certain people in her Sohum coalition and hope she can draw conservatives in Fortuna. To a certain degree, any politician has to give up some of him/herself because s/he speaks for a community now, not just herself. But she isn't saying anything where there isn't near consensus.

And it will get harder if she wins, not easier.

I'll be happy for Estelle if she wins. And maybe there's something to the whole expanding of the voter pool pie analysis. But I've had my heat broken too many times by theories like that (Kerry's cell phone cavalry, antiquated likely voter models, etc.) to count on them.

And more to the point, Clif's appeal in the north isn't based on his political positions, as I'm learning from phone banking. It's based on his community involvement, his roots, and his personality. He will be in a better position to take stands which buck the Fortuna establishment and he's ready to do that whether he was ready two decades ago when these other issues came up.

Again, the analysis isn't a "tactic." For Sohum Clif supporters, it was our initial motivation. Clif has impressed us so that we have additional motivations. But from the beginning, we weren't pushing the winnability issue to support him. We were supporting him because of the winnability issue.
 
And Eric, telling people that in your opinion Estelle can't win in Fortuna is negative to the max. Yes, your opinion, and yes, it is diminishing Clif's opponent to make him look better. You do not gain my respect.

No. Accusing Estelle of being a socialist, pro-terrorist, easygoing on child molesters would be negative. Winnability is a legitimate issue, just as any policy criticism - especially when the two are linked. You only see it as negative because you suspect I'm right, based on the June results - the only piece of hard evidence we have of her support. If there was no basis for the argument, you wouldn't be so defensive about it.
 
Exactly.
 
Eric, you said it exactly. estelle never answered a question. she just gave a lot of words that added up to nothing. I have a friend who tells everyone yes when asked to do something. And then does nothing because she has told everyone yes, and then stresses because she can't do it all, so does nothing. This is sort of the picture I have of estelle.
 
Clif will join up with that evil Mark Lovelace and all those smug urban environmentalists who want us all to move into cubicles in box! A big box! How's that for irony, huh?
 
Estelle's statements are too ambiguous to get my support. Her ambivalence as to the positions is because of her need to please her coalition in the south while at the same time preening to the Fortuna block. Whereby Clif is solid in his stance and forthright in his delivery, not flip-flopping on issues such as the big-box and cluster factors.
 
After a considerable amount of fence sitting, my significant other and I have decided that we now will be backing Clif. To us, Clif is the only viable candidate if only because of his win-ability. Actually there are in fact three viable candidates, but we think that Clif is the most likely to win and we don't like the thought of throwing our vote away on a spoiler.
 
Go Estelle!!
 
the spoiler in this race is clif, anything else is just spin.
 
Since cliff has come out and openly supporting plan A of the General Plan my whole family will not be supporting cliff.
cliff's Plan A is THE most restrictive for homesteaders wanting to live on their land.
cliff is completely out of touch with rural country people.

We will be supporting Estelle Fennell who has taken a strong stand on protecting homesteaders rights.
She said she is for Plan B and for sensible land use that will not hurt people who want to live on their land and raise their families.
 
Since cliff has come out and openly supporting plan A of the General Plan my whole family will not be supporting cliff.
cliff's Plan A is THE most restrictive for homesteaders wanting to live on their land.
cliff is completely out of touch with rural country people.


That's misinformation. None of the General Plan revision proposals affects any present development. It all pertains to future development. Yes, plan A would prevent the creation of further subdivisions for the time being, but it would not impact existing development.
 
You're all out of touch down there. Neither of your candidates are going to win. Johanna will not only win, she will get more than 50 percent just like Roger did in the last three elections. The Second District will remain the one last bastion of property rights and small town values.
 
I cannot get the view out of my mind when cliff stated at the fortuna chamber of commerce that he did not think it was fair for people in southern humboldt to be let off the hook in terms of code enforcement. He stated that sohum rural people should live by the same strict building code standards as they do in the city of fortuna.

If southern humboldt elects cliff, look for even more restrictive regulations for homesteaders than ever before.

cliff has stated strongly he is for Plan A....the most restrictive land use regulations.
 
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eric said:None of the General Plan revision proposals affects any present development. It all pertains to future development. Yes, plan A would prevent the creation of further subdivisions for the time being, but it would not impact existing development.


This is completely false.

Plan A will adversely affect rural land homesteaders. Read the fine print.
cliff and his supporters are extremists and are out to lunch on this.


Estelle's the only candidate who is not an extremist.
Supporting Estelle Fennell will bring common sense and sensible land use for homesteaders.
 
As a homesteader, and one who believes in the viability of the back-to-the-land homesteading movement, I'll be voting for Estelle. Clif simply doesn't get it.
 
I cannot get the view out of my mind when cliff stated at the fortuna chamber of commerce that he did not think it was fair for people in southern humboldt to be let off the hook in terms of code enforcement. He stated that sohum rural people should live by the same strict building code standards as they do in the city of fortuna.

That's not what he said and you know it. He's advocated for standards which vary according to the various needs of various communities from the beginning. But he does believe that some code enforcement is necessary in all areas where codes are ignored. I happen to agree. Why should city folk be forced to follow laws but not rural folk? Are we so special that we have the right to demand special treatment?

Plan A will adversely affect rural land homesteaders. Read the fine print.
cliff and his supporters are extremists and are out to lunch on this.


Which fine print are you talking about? Can you be specific?
 
Hate to say it (Well, not really) but looking at this board it's pretty obvious Johanna has it in the bag.

LOOK AT YOU PEOPLE!

You're all a bunch of fucking morons. The liberals/left are divided between two candidates. Do you know what that means? It means you will all lose! Especially if you guys keep trying to turn up the heat. Roger is laughing his ass off!

Estelle people; why drag Clif through the mud? Attacking his brother and his family business? Does your campaign have no perspective whatsoever? And are you guys that delusional to think you're going to take Fortuna? Come on.

Clifs people; do you guys have no balls? You guys are getting slapped around left and right and doing nothing about it. First it was the violation of election law. Now it's you guys letting Clif be slapped around by Estelle. It makes me want to vote for Estelle because at least she's not a fucking pussy!
 
Ironic isn't it.
 
As a homesteader, and one who believes in the viability of the back-to-the-land homesteading movement, I'll be voting for Estelle.

Right on. I'd like to see the back to the land homesteading movement grow. Clif would like to see less of you. Clif would like to force your kids to "cluster" in the towns and cities.
 
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And Clif "Apple Boy" Clendenen takes yet another bitch slap from Estelle "Peoples Production" Fennel.
 
"She said she is for Plan B and for sensible land use that will not hurt people who want to live on their land and raise their families."

That's what I'm for! Go Estelle!!!
 
Clifs people; do you guys have no balls? You guys are getting slapped around left and right and doing nothing about it. First it was the violation of election law. Now it's you guys letting Clif be slapped around by Estelle. It makes me want to vote for Estelle because at least she's not a fucking pussy!

It's because Clif represents the grown ups in the community. Hope that some day you'll join us.
 
gee, 6:51am, how about this image:
Estelle out in a parking lot at 5am with her team at Reggae on the River ...
...It's really sad that you attempt to keep trying to bring up this tired old non-issue....


Dear Tue Oct 28, 08:56:00 AM, A non issue it's not. I'm sorry, but your bias is showing. Seriously, you think it is a Big Deal that Estelle worked reggae at 5am? She was not alone. SO MANY MANY GOOD FOLKS INVESTED (at all hours)INTO A PROFITABLE AND SUSTAINABLE EVENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY and COMMUNITY CENTER! Fast forward to 2008, the CUP, and essentially "the event" have now been taken over by private, formerly trusted associates. And the MCC is busy making plans for yet another girl-scout-troop-style fund raiser, tabling in front of the grocery story!, while PP,CB,TD,PB, etc. ad nauseum, are all too smug for words. MEANWHILE, the SETTLEMENT PAYMENTS due to the MCC remain OUTSTANDING!@! WTF!! You call that a non issue? Ain't denial great?

In my view, these people take, and take, and take, and refuse to take responsibility for their divisive, and devastating (to the MCC family) actions. Coincidentally, these same individuals have all endorsed Ms Fennel and her biased view of this world. Pretty obvious to me the vote to make. Anybody BUT Estelle.
 
Ditto that....how come it took estelle all these many months to finally have a stance on the general plan? How come it sounds like what clif has been saying all along?Eric--do you know what the laws are in regards to heads of non profits, like the fire chiefs, endorsing a political candidate?
 
If the add in the paper about Johanna and that huge list of supporters does not put the reality of this thing in the face of the estellefish, nothing will.
 
Clif also has a huge list of supporters.
How come the PEOPLE behind the event taken from the community are not on the LIST of SUPPORTERS for Estelle?
Let me guess.......
 
Erc, Clif very clearly said at the Board of Realtors debate that building codes should be enforced in rural areas just like in Fortuna.

He is clearly eliminating the stakeholders who have a lot to lose with this extreme stance.

This is just one more instance of the contempt Clif has for rural foks.

Estelle listens to all the people of the 2nd district. Estelle is my choice.
 
Estelle elfish? I don't think so. I think she's Irish.

Anyway, she comes with world class skills, she knows the questions to ask, and she knows how to find the answers. No comparison to the other candidates.

Go Estelle!
 
Anyway, she comes with world class skills, she knows the questions to ask, and she knows how to find the answers.

But does she know how to manage a budget?
 
Erc, Clif very clearly said at the Board of Realtors debate that building codes should be enforced in rural areas just like in Fortuna.

And I agree with him. I also agree with him that building codes in different areas should have different priorities.
 
Eric--do you know what the laws are in regards to heads of non profits, like the fire chiefs, endorsing a political candidate?

They can do it as individuals, and their position with the nonprofit may be stated for identification purposes only. It's understood that the organization itself is not making the endorsement.
 
thank you. another question--reading estelles list of supporters, there were a few friends of mine that i know are not supporting or voting for her. i called one of them who is out of town for another 2 weeks, told her she was on the list, she is really quite pissed. she says she NEVER gave estelle permission to do this. she said that when estelle came to her home a while back, and asked if she would support her, she said well maybe, i am undecided now. what's up with this kind of behavior?
 
Same PEOPLE, same behavior.
 
anonymous clap-trap.
 
thank you. another question--reading estelles list of supporters, there were a few friends of mine that i know are not supporting or voting for her. i called one of them who is out of town for another 2 weeks, told her she was on the list, she is really quite pissed. she says she NEVER gave estelle permission to do this. she said that when estelle came to her home a while back, and asked if she would support her, she said well maybe, i am undecided now. what's up with this kind of behavior?

I don't know about that one, but there are names on her list of endorsements of people who supported her in June but are no longer supporting her. She has no way of knowing who these people are unless they contact her, and the two people I know probably don't want to do that because they don't want to hurt her feelings. And actually, I'm not absolutely certain of the one person. I'm just assuming that if he shelled out a hundred bucks at a dinner for Clif that he's supporting Clif. The other individual doesn't want to make a production of it.

This will all be over in a week. As much as I enjoy the election season, I'm looking forward to getting back to more philosophical topics and maybe bore some of the more obnoxious posters away.
 
Be careful what you wish for.
 
If the signs are sure signs of how the campaign is going, it is Johanna by a mile. She's got the 101 corridor from county line to Fortuna, she seems to have the Fortuna main drag locked up. Estelle is the winner on the Alderpoint Road - I'm not sure about who is ahead in Redway/Garberville. Going by the signs if Johanna's people can remember to fill in the bubble, she's got it. If the signs are not indicators, then I haven't a clue as to how people will do.
 
Ed, why don't you go to the Sea Grill or Oberon and gorge yourself on some cow meat.
 
Eric says, "And I agree with him. I also agree with him that building codes in different areas should have different priorities.

But Eric, Clif did not say this. At the Realtors Debate all he said was he was codes should be enforced, and he was supportive of the Code Enforcement Unit, and said that was their job, and it needed to be done. He was direct. I don't remember much sentiment or thought from Clif about the thousands of violators and criminals in the outlying areas of the second district.

Thousands of second district citizens, thousands of stakeholders who are your and my neighbors, are being left out.

Go Estelle! Johanna, you'd be fine. Clif is a nightmare.
 
But Eric, Clif did not say this. At the Realtors Debate all he said was he was codes should be enforced, and he was supportive of the Code Enforcement Unit, and said that was their job, and it needed to be done. He was direct.

That is not what he said.
 
Well, I wasn't there. But I know what he's said everywhere else. And I know what he says on his website.
 
Sorry SoHum, but the codes SHOULD be enforced. Not at gunpoint, but they should be enforced.
 
Codes should be enforced but not with some other motive in mind.
 
Anonymous said...
Pick Clif!

Pick your nose!
 
After a considerable amount of fence sitting, my significant other and I have decided that we now will be backing Clif.

Why do I doubt that you were ever a "fence sitter"?
 
Here is the Beacon coverage of the Monday Club debate. No mention of identical codes for Fortuna and rural areas. I don't remember any mention in the Times Standard or the North Coast Journal. Perhaps all of the reporters just missed it.
 
I finally got to meet Estelle and I was not impressed. She smelled like cabbage and was more interested in talking about teaching dogs tricks than in the business of the district.
 
She smelled like cabbage...

Nice, aromatic image.
 
Clif Clensdenens Don't know one thing about government up their in Eureka. He hardly knows life outside this fair town. Clif is a sod buster, always has been, and always will be one. He comes from a long line of sod busters. All he knows is the dirt and it's the one thing he does well. He thinks sitting on a Board is less preferable to sitting on his old rocking chair. All the boy knows is his sod.
 
Sod busters are the backbone of the nation.
They probably even feed 6:15pm's BIG FAT MOUTH.
 
Well he's been hit with religious bigotry and now class bigotry. Anything else you want to try John McCain?
 
Well he's been hit with religious bigotry and now class bigotry.

This is not bigotry, it is simply condescending. Farmers are not a class.
 
Eric belittels more.
 
Not So...
 
tues, oct 4, 1:53pm

I say again NON-ISSUE. What does the PP vs MCC have to do with Estelle?
Once again: Estelle worked ROTR for years, supporting the MCC. She quit and did not work for PP at Reggae Rising.
It's true that PP supports Estelle, but so do many MCC members, as well as some of the Mateel board.
You can be as angry as you want about ROTR/RR, or PP vs MCC,but it has nothing to do with this race.
Do you think either Cliff or Johanna care about the MCC? Have either of them ever done any fund raising for the Mateel? Are either of them members?
I support the MCC and Estelle!
 
The issue goes to credibility and character.
 
5 more days. As fascinating as this election has been at the fed, state, and local level, I'm ready for it to be over.
 
Of course you are ready for it to be over Eric. Your apple boy is about to get his ass kicked. Emotional pain is a hard thing to bear Eric, but you need to take it like a man.
 
Thu Oct 30, 01:10:00 PM, Really? You assume that credibility and character are within the shrill, limited, and redundant world of 10:35:00 AM, who should be reminded that simply repeating your idiotic mantra (a non issue-lol) does not render it so. The seriousness of the betrayal that has bred so much grief in this community may truly be beyond your grasp. And unless there is growth, and some more maturity, empathy and logic, it is futile to try to reason with anyone who cannot comprehend basic tenets like credibility and character. On to court. Lets take back the party!
 
6:07pm,
You misunderstood my meaning of the issue of credibility and character.
I meant that Estelle was lacking in these two important behaviors when it came to her stance on this communities conflict.
 
Of course you are ready for it to be over Eric. Your apple boy is about to get his ass kicked. Emotional pain is a hard thing to bear Eric, but you need to take it like a man.

Actually, I'm fairly confident that Clif will pull it out. Again, based on the phone banking, which admittedly is not scientific.
 
Johanna gonna win!
 
NOT!
 
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