Sunday, October 19, 2008

 

Presidential votes not being counted in North Carolina - and ACORN news

This is for my good friend Jane and anybody else who knows somebody in North Carolina. You have a ballot option to vote for the whole party ticket, but for some reason the option does not incorporate the presidential race.

Meanwhile, there are allegations of machines switching votes in West Virginia.

Addendum: The first arrest for voter registration fraud.

Second addendum: ACORN is receiving numerous threatening voicemails and emails.
It’s bad enough that the employees of ACORN have had to endure days of baseless and outlandish attacks by John McCain and the RNC. But after McCain outrageously claimed before a national audience on Wednesday night that ACORN was “maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy,” the group came under attack, literally. In the following days, ACORN’s Boston and Seattle offices were vandalized and at least one employee received a death threat.

And for nearly two weeks, ACORN offices across the nation have been subjected to an onslaught of racist and threatening voicemails and emails. We have secured copies of some of the most disturbing and offensive messages and have reproduced them below in order to show the very real consequences of the Right Wing’s overheated and misplaced “voter fraud” rhetoric.

The link above provides the audio for some of the messages, and some emails are provided as well. Here's an example.

“Hi, I was just calling to let you all know that Barack Obama needs to get hung. He's a fucking nigger, and he's a piece of shit. You guys are fraudulent, and you need to go to hell. All the niggers on oak trees. They're gonna get all hung honeys, they're gonna get assassinated, they're gonna get killed.”

I know, I know. Both sides are doing it. Right.

Photo comes from here.


Comments:
Eric, this is dimly remembered from something that sailed by me in law study, but I think that the Presidential election is a US election under US law, and the rest of the State election is under State law. If so then NC would not have the power to extend party voting to the Presidential election, but could do it for all other candidates. (This is a tentative explaination only.)
 
I think the Constitution pretty much turns it over to State Legislatures to determine how the electors are chosen. In either case, why bother with the option?
 
It's all a vast left wing conspiracy I tell ya!
 
Allegations?

Like the allegations that Barrack smoked crack and then let Larry Sinclair perform oral sex on him?
 
Yeah, only corroborated.
 
So are several of the Acorn allegations.
 
Yeah, only corroborated.WHEN?and if so,why is obama still in the race?that story would have finished him..right ERIC?
 
Obama raised $150,000,000.00 in September and there is utter silence from the usual chorus of left wing whiners about the influence of money in politics. Typical liberal hypocrisy.
 
Because his average donation is $86.00. If the money makes him beholden to the $86 donors, then we don't mind that influence so much.
 
I'm guessing that by "average" you mean the "mean" donation.

But the "median" donation would actually be much more meaningful. And probably much lower.

As I've heard others point out when dealing with the issue of averages is that if, say 100 everyday Americans are in a room together, our "average" (mean) household income is around $35,000, but if Bill Gates walks into the room, suddenly the "average" (mean) income in the room is in the millions.

Technically that is correct, but it doesn't really say much about any of the people in that room. I mean we didn't become millionaires all of the sudden!. On the other hand the "median" income in the room would hardly change, and would more accurately reflect the situation of most people in the room.

So I wish they would publish the "median" contribution size, in addition to the "mean." It would be far more informative about the actual contribution size given by most suppoters.

Basically the median will tell you what the average contributor gave, rather than telling you what the average contribution was. Sounds like a subtle difference, but the difference in the number can be huge, as demonstrated by the Bill Gates example.
 
Wouldn't median be the number directly between the lowest donation and the highest donation? I'd think it would be much higher than the average.
 
"Addendum: The first arrest for voter registration fraud."

hmmmm... and it wasn't ACORN!

plus ~ Sun Oct 19, 04:06:00 PM said:

"Obama raised $150,000,000.00 in September and there is utter silence from the usual chorus of left wing whiners about the influence of money in politics. Typical liberal hypocrisy."

Hmmm. I've made 3 donations to the Obama campaign - $25, $25, and $75. Tens of thousands of "little people" just like me have done the same.
 
Actually, he has almost 4 million donors since the end of the primaries. So the true average shouldn't be based on donations, but donors. According to factcheck.org two thirds of his money comes from donors who give more that 200 dollars. Still, his small donor base is immense compared to other candidates.
 
I gave the Obama campaign $200 and $250. The first after he won the nomination. The second during the media's infatuation with Ms. Palin. That is more money than I've ever given any candidate in my life. But in truth, if I thought it would make THE difference, I would give $10,000 out of my retirement savings to see him win. That is how important this election feels to me.
 
8:01 - you may consider going to his site and doing some phone banking for him. That does make a difference. It may be what's winning this thing for him.
 
The veneer of decency is peeling away
 
Yes, Eric, you're quite right about what "median" means. Of course whether the median is higher or lower than the mean all depends on the numbers you're crunching.

Median: relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered set of values (or the average of the middle two in an even-numbered set)

So if the campaign of Candidate "X" received $10,$10,$15,$20,$25,$30,$50,$100,$1000, then the median donation was $25.

On the other hand, the mean (which is usually what people means when they say "average") is obtained by adding all the donation amounts and then dividing by the number of donations, in other words: $1,260 / 9 = $140

So in this case, the median is $25 and the mean is $140.

Or another way to put it is that the "average contribution" is $140, but the "average contributor" gave $25.

[You'll notice that the one place that we do hear the word "median" instead of "average" is when we hear about the "median income." You rarely hear the phrase "average income." That is for a good reason.]

Anyway, in political campaigns, where there are usually a huge number of small donations and a small number of huge donations, the median is going to tend to be much lower than the average. Let's look at the case of candidate "Y" who gets the following contributions, mostly small, some in the middle, and a few whoppers:

$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$20,$20,$20,$20,$20,$20,$50,$50,$100,$500,$1000.

median = $10

mean = $68.97

On the other hand, if Candidate "Z" got lots of larger donations and only a few small ones:

$20, $20, $30, $30, $50, $50, $50, $80, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100.

median = $100

mode = $80

In the case of Candidate "Z" the median is higher than the mode. But most campaigns (including Obama's) are more like Candidate "Y," who has huge numbers of small donations, and small numbers of huge donations. So the median is going to be much lower than the mode.

Wow, talk about over-explaining. Sorry 'bout that!
 
Oops, Candidate "Y"'s contributions should read:

$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$10,$20,$20,$20,$20,$20,$20,$50,$50,$100,$500,$1000.
 
Okay, that's interesting...the figures keep getting cut off...well, let's try it this way:

Candidate "Y"'s contributions:

$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$10
$20
$20
$20
$20
$20
$20
$50
$50
$100
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median = $10

mean = $68.97
 
The counselor is once again stirring the pot with isolated racist quotes, assuming they are even real.
 
Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case
Mark Jacoby, who owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state laws with his own registration, authorities say.
By Evan Halper, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 20, 2008
SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.



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Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.

The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.

Dan Goldfine, an attorney for Jacoby, on Sunday denied any wrongdoing by his client and called the charges "baseless."

He said the arrest outside an Ontario hotel, which involved seven squad cars and nine police officers, was part of a "long pattern of harassment against Mr. Jacoby for an entirely valid voter registration effort."

Goldfine said the case that prosecutors are bringing against his client involves charges that are rarely pressed.

Jacoby was released on bail Sunday evening from the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Goldfine said.

After complaints by voters and Democratic Party officials, several agencies launched investigations into Jacoby's activities. They included the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which issued the warrant for his arrest earlier this month on felony charges of voter registration fraud and perjury.

"We contacted people at the addresses where he registered, and they have no idea who he is," said Dave Demerjian, head deputy of the public integrity unit at the L.A. County district attorney's office.

Goldfine said his client does business in many states, traveling frequently, and his permanent address has been his parents' Los Angeles County home, where he received mail and registered to vote.

Demerjian said his office is continuing to investigate allegations that YPM workers improperly re-registered voters with the GOP.

Several dozen voters recently told The Times that YPM workers said they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Other voters said they had no idea their registration was being changed.

YPM has been accused of using bait-and-switch tactics across the country. Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit.

In a written statement Sunday, the state Republican Party called the charges against Jacoby "politically motivated." The party said the charges do not support accusations from voters and Democratic officials that YPM has been duping voters into joining the GOP.
 
"I know. I know. Both sides are doing it. Right."

I know. I know. African-American were discriminated against. Right.

I know. I know. The war in Vietnam was a mistake. Right.

I know. I know. Women have been treated unjustly. Right.

I know. I know. Gay rights are critical. Right.

I know. Iknow. Global warming is real. Right.

I know. I know. Obama is THE ONE. Right.
 
Looks like McCain's (only) plan is working?; us vs them; them being anyone non-white, who are therefore, anti-American; Joe the plumber is everywhiteman; anger is the proper emotion for voting, etc.

When this is all over and McCain "reaches across the aisle" in the Senate, who would want to touch his slimy, dripping hand?
He's become Toxic.

And this interesting observation- when the right whingnuts mention Obama's "connection" with Ayers they never show a picture of Ayers, who is white. That way their terminally stoopid whingnut following will jump to the conclusion that he is black. MCCain and Co. do nothing to disabuse them of that assumption. Creative racism.
 
Obama’s speech about racism early in the campaign brought things out into the open in a way that made racists look like the fools they are. He is so much better than McCain in so many respects, but his basic humanity appeals to me the most. Something that is lacking in most right wingers, especially the anons, Rose, etc. who post on this and other blogs. You all think your cleverness fools people, but you are only fooling yourselves.
 
RNC On New Mexico "Voter Fraud": Never Mind
By Zachary Roth - October 20, 2008, 4:10PM

As if you needed any more evidence that the Republican effort to tout voter fraud is less about legitimate claims and more about a political agenda, consider this sequence of events:

Last week, as we noted at the time, the New Mexico GOP had publicly claimed that 28 people voted fraudulently in the Democratic primary, held in June, for a local race.

Then this morning, the RNC sent out a press release announcing a 3pm conference call with reporters "on the recent developments in New Mexico regarding ACORN."

But at 11am, ACORN -- the community organizing group that Republicans have been trying lately to turn into a voter fraud boogeyman -- held a conference call of its own, asserting that local election officials had confirmed that the 28 people in question, mostly low-income Latinos, were valid voters.

So here at TPMmuckraker, we wondered what the RNC's response to this would be. And on the 3pm call, we asked party spokesman Danny Diaz.

Diaz dodged the question. He talked about an incident with ACORN in Washington state, then referred us to an October 9th Wall Street Journal story, which did not address the allegation made last week by the state GOP about fraudulent voting in the Democratic primary. (Instead, it reported that the FBI had opened a preliminary investigation into thousands of fraudulent registration forms submitted in an area near an ACORN office.)

When we tried to follow up, Diaz cut us off and shifted the discussion toward a general attack on ACORN for submitting fraudulent registrations.

In other words, it looks like the RNC had scheduled a call to tout evidence of voter fraud -- not voter registration fraud, mind you, but actual voter fraud -- being perpetrated by ACORN in New Mexico. But when ACORN appeared to come up with compelling evidence that no such fraud had occurred, the RNC held the call anyway, simply shifting the focus to other vague allegations against ACORN -- then refused to address the New Mexico situation when asked.

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I don't like that the polls are tightening. It's going to be a tense next two weeks. Obama needs to win decisively so the Republicans can't steal the election.
 
The polls aren't tightening, but I expect they will.
 
Eric,

Thanks for the shoutout on your blog! My family is missing your family, as well as the Humboldt "bubble"!

Love,

Jane, Jason and Geneva and Bookmark
 
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