Friday, November 14, 2008

 

Mateel meeting open thread

I'll be on the computer for much of the weekend to check on this thread. Couldn't make it tonight due to my son's event at Cecil's, and the meeting's probably over by now. If anything happened, please feel free to report.

Comments:
So?
 
So either nothing happened or everyone's still there dancing.
 
whoop de doo big news Tommy Dimwits did not present the Mateel with a check for $250,000. What a missed opportunity for a photo op.
Any how , people were nominated for board . 6 names were on the list. Brave souls all to take on the possibility of being on the Board.
Sue Maloney and Rio Anderson I remember being nominated.
 
Rio? Rio? That is just fantastic. What a boon to the Mateel. Don't know Sue well enough to comment but oh my god... Rio what a great nomination. He has great background. That's not as good as getting a check but that is a real feather in the board's cap.
 
What was the resolution of Rio's weed bust?
 
Sue Maloney would be a major asset; smart, funny, excellent integrity, great energy and lovely to boot.
 
Sue Maloney would be a major asset; smart, funny, excellent integrity, great energy and lovely to boot


so sue, anything else you want to add about yourself?
 
What was the resolution of Rio's weed bust?


misdemeanor
 
you haven't heard anything yet because the private club is private
 
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GET A LIEN ON ALL DIMMICK EVENTS. THAT SHOULD PRETTY MUCH PUT HIM OUT OF BUSINESS. THEN GO BACK TO ROTR'S ORIGINAL LOCATION NEXT DOOR, AND PUT ON THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF ROTR IN 2009, AND START MAKING THE $500,000/YEARLY INCOME THAT THE EVENT SHOULD MAKE IF RUN HONESTLY AND PROPERLY. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?
 
It was a good meeting. 3 people, Garth, Heather and Elaina who had each served 6 years, are stepping aside for a break. They are due a thank you from all of us. Good people offered to run for the board. Along with Rio and Sue, Margaret and Rainbow were nominated and a couple of others as well. Doug G. was nominated, but declined, preferring to serve on the events committee. Like on Nov. 4th, if you don't vote....well you turned down the chance to participate.

The Mateel will be hurting financially if Carol and Tom continue to fail to meet their commitment. The next step is to garnish the monies from RR ticket sales if they continue to fail to perform.

The Board cooked an excellent meal, and I mean excellent. Enchiladas, tortilla soup, a big salad, refried beans and rice, and desserts were the fare. Ponche played to a small but spirited crowd.

A reminder: Tom's lease on the Arthur's property is over after 2009. Pat Arthur was there to show her continued support for the Mateel. Anyone for Reggae on the River at French's camp in 2010? Now wouldn't that be a full circle coming around, since the the myth that only Carol could produce RoR has been shown for what it is, a mere myth. Should the Mateel or Tom and Danny Scher be the guardians of our community asset? If the permit truly goes with the land, then shouldn't it go with French's Camp?

The future is interesting, be a part of it. Join, vote, participate.
 
I am a member but couldnt attend last night, how is the voting being conducted?
 
Rio and Sue are great additions! Sue Malony has been a great asset to KMUD. She's very smart. And Rio's experience as a mediator would serve him well on the board, plus he's a great guy. I dont know Margaret but I have appreciated her posts here. I am not much of a fan of the Rainbow guy, I dont know why, he just comes across as a little nuts, but he's been dedicated to the MCC, as far as I can tell.
 
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Sorry, but the new rules say that you cannot call somebody a "liar" while anonymous.
 
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you remove anything that's of a critical nature of your inner circle eric, but let all of the vicious anonymous lies fly about everyone else.
 
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The Mateel will be hurting financially if Carol and Tom continue to fail to meet their commitment


If tanya/mcc worked behind the scenes to resolve the $ matter with pp, there would be $ in our mcc till.

the millions spent on that stupid lawsuit went down a lawyer rat hole. now the downturn in the economy threatens our ability to get the $ from td.
This whole debacle came about from very poor leadership at mcc.
hopefully our community has learned that lawsuits rarely ever results in a win win situation.
 
According to PP insiders Carol Bruno has a signed contract with Tom Dimmick that makes her no longer liable for any debt owed to the MCC, Schools, Fire Dept. etc. That Tom Dimmick is now the only responsible party for all of Carol Bruno and People Productions debt.

The Settlement Agreement with the Mateel specifically makes Carol, Tom and People Productions "jointly and severally liable" for all payments to Mateel. I believe Eric will confirm that any subsequent agreement between Tom and Carol should not relieve anyone from his/her liability to the Mateel. It's between the two of them only. Any agreement between Tom and Carol may make Tom liable to Carol for the debt, but does not relieve her of any obligation to the Mateel.

It is my understanding that Mateel can collect any or all of the money owed from Carol, Tom or People Productions(I know, PP is just a legal fiction called an LLC) regardless of any agreements between Tom and Carol. If Tom and Carol do have an agreement that specifies he must pay, I guess Carol could sue Tom to collect any money Mateel got from her. But that's between them, not the Mateel.
 
Why are there comments left standing here about anyone's "weed bust" or "stalking charge and restraining order," especially without substantiation?
 
One interesting tidbit coming from last night's meeting--Pat Arthur(she and son Mark were on hand to support the Mateel) reports that Tom Dimmick hasn't paid her what's due in rent for Reggae Rising 2008. And there's one year left on his three year lease for French's Camp. I wonder who else hasn't been paid?
 
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Yes the board should immediately move that no person in southern humboldt guilty of a misdemeanor or any other criminal activity can serve.

Well that knocks out just about.... all of you. Hah! PB came to the Mateel years ago doing community service!

Too funny.
 
Cristina will you be covering the hearing on Monday?
 
Why are there comments left standing here about anyone's "weed bust" or "stalking charge and restraining order," especially without substantiation?

Didn't see the stalking reference. Sorry. It's gone now.
 
The Settlement Agreement with the Mateel specifically makes Carol, Tom and People Productions "jointly and severally liable" for all payments to Mateel. I believe Eric will confirm that any subsequent agreement between Tom and Carol should not relieve anyone from his/her liability to the Mateel. It's between the two of them only. Any agreement between Tom and Carol may make Tom liable to Carol for the debt, but does not relieve her of any obligation to the Mateel.

It is my understanding that Mateel can collect any or all of the money owed from Carol, Tom or People Productions(I know, PP is just a legal fiction called an LLC) regardless of any agreements between Tom and Carol. If Tom and Carol do have an agreement that specifies he must pay, I guess Carol could sue Tom to collect any money Mateel got from her. But that's between them, not the Mateel.


I don't have any first hand knowledge of the agreement, but in general you are right. You cannot get out of a debt by an agreement with someone else to assume it unless the creditor signs off on it.
 
"The creditor" did not sign off on it!
 
I agree that by my observations Rio Anderson and the Chautauqua Crew as a whole have proven themselves to be whole hearted PP supporters. (Events at Tophs are catered by cafe mioeuoo. Willy Nelson Backstage food came from there as well)
I was appalled when Rio editorialized on speaker's comments during the fateful meeting at the Mateel 2 years ago. Hopefully he has polished his mediation skills since then, because IMO that was tacky.

Rio does not have my vote.

Sue would be cool - but does she really have time?

I am glad for all those (except the spies...) that stepped up to the plate to serve on the board. Brave souls.
 
Rio's a nice guy (and Chautauqua is cool), but I don't think he has the wisdom, judgment or skills to serve on the Mateel board. Support for PP doesn't win any points with me, but is not enough by itself to disqualify him. But I'll still pass on Rio.
 
so without the liar comment, rio is a pp supporter. his weed bust was up at tooby ranch, i believe it was a generator grow.

So Eric leaves this unsubstantiated claim about rio but takes out the stalking restraining order that was against joe hiney.
Eric, you are so predictable and live by your own double standards
 
Rio's a nice guy (and Chautauqua is cool), but I don't think he has the wisdom, judgment or skills to serve on the Mateel board

that's right Rio does not qualify for the mateel Board, he's not mean enough. He's not dishonest, and his record is clean in that he has never had a restraining order against him for stalking a woman.
 
So, are we supposed to vote for the guy we'd rather have a beer with, or the guy we'd rather smoke a joint with?
 
God yes don't vote for Rio. The man has an education and the common sense not to take sides. For God's sake don't vote for that! Are you nuts... it would be helpful.
 
Rio's Uncle is the PP guy.
 
So Eric leaves this unsubstantiated claim about rio but takes out the stalking restraining order that was against joe hiney.
Eric, you are so predictable and live by your own double standards


Oh give it a rest! The whining is even more annoying than the comments.

For the record, I've now taken out two or three comments about Rio, one about Carol, and one about Joe. I've left the one about Sue, and I don't see you whining about that one.
 
Here it comes. The PP side I predict will launch an all out smear using gossip and half-baked truths to keep Rio off the board. The man has the skills to take the Mateel to an entire new level--they don't want to see that. I think they want to see the Mateel shut down. Revenge has long been a strong suit in that crowd.

Let Rio get on KMUD and speak though and he will burying their smearing arses. The man is a good man.
 
Rio editorialized all right he told PB to put down his stupid signs. Damn what a daft comment.
 
Just because Cafe Minou is asked to cater an event at Tophs does not mean they are in the pocket of PP, they are a local caterer, thats all, just as Flavors and Amelia's are too. They sell food. Period. All three had food for sale at Toph's Estelle benefit.
 
It has always been the same story. Drive away anyone with legitimate skills and education. Make sure no director stays. Hassle the good staff until they leave. Make the board's life so hard no one wants to sit on it anymore.

It stinks. And if this community lets that keep happening then they deserve to see the Mateel close.
 
hmmmm are we playing both sides?
 
but takes out the stalking restraining order that was against joe hiney.

Exactly. Eric know what side of the bread the butter is on.
 
...he's not mean enough. He's not dishonest...

Meaness and dishonesty? Time proven Mateel Board qualities? Maybe when it was stacked with the likes of certain "yes to PPpeople"...

What a load of crap. I can't believe you actually believe your own lies. Pretty damn sad.
 
...and lovely to boot

boot her to the curb.
 
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again. what has rio done in the last 1-2-3 years for/at the mcc to be considered for the bod? why should he have our vote? what is his resume? everything about his bust was in the papers eric. his name, the amount of plants,sgt. wayne hansen even said it was supposed to be a cattle ranch, but there was absolutely nothing there having anything to do with cattle.so if it was in the paper, does that mean it's substantiated?
 
The soylent greens are devouring themselves again. (paul encimers term).
Not a Mateel member but I know Sue and Rio to be hard working and responsible people. Very positive as well. I would want them representing me.
Sorry they have to take so many darts, some of it no doubt collateral damage from the ROTR vs RU debacle.
 
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I meant not qualified
 
Well this is a good example of just what the Mateel has to put up with on a daily basis. People who push mediocrity onto others so they can feel they have accomplished something. Talk about destructive and inhumane this kind of garbage is bad karma and exactly what has bitten every body in the butt in the long run. This isn't anything new it is just more in the public view now. It isn't just a job at the Mateel it is a full armor plated journey into defending against small minds and big egos.

Go Rio!
 
I've heard so many times the line from PP how the the Mateel didn't save money for that rainy day when it does come. Well PP and TD didn't save for that rainy day either and couldn't pay their bills!
 
Just remember, life isn't nearly as toxic as blogs on a bleary day.
 
It isn't just a job at the Mateel

No it is a VOLUNTEER Board Position. Who'd be dumb enough.
 
Pretty much everything now-a-days seems to be fall out from ROTR dabacle. We all know that we can thank ppeople productions, and td for this. And the economic crash at the MCC, let's give them credit for that too. It is going to take some very smart, forward thinking, not a member of any local social or politcal cliques, to get the MCC moving in a forward.
 
Precisely, there wasn't a rainy day. Instead Chicken Little purposely made the sky fall. Gee it would be nice if people had gone and listed to the REAL facts.
 
What are the real facts?
 
Enlighten us to the REAL facts as you interpret them.
 
A positive comment made by a board member during the meeting was the fact that our new supervisor, Clif Clendenen is a Mateel member and could possibly help us with planning dept. issues.
 
You mean get you an illegal permit to hold large concerts at the Community Park. Not in this lifetime. Your Karma has caught up with. The MCC has alienated too many good people over the last couple of years including many that were zealous supporters.
 
Names please..
 
As has Kmud.
 
In response to 10:51 AM. No, I have no interest in illegal permits. I thought our supervisor may be able to help us understand the complicated permit process and help us through the legal path. I know of people who were helped by Roger in delayed permits in Shelter Cove in the past.

Have we ever had a county supervisor Mateel member in the past?
 
I think the lack of people at the membership meeting the other night speaks volumes as to how many people have dropped out from caring or supporting the MCC. There are other alternatives taking root: Beginnings and the Gulch Community Center. Ones that are not fueled by hate. The MCC has been trying for a number of years to get 1,000 members and they have not even come close to that number. They have only been able to get about 400. To say Cliff is a member I wouldn't call that a feather in my cap.
 
I'm new at this blog thing, but am learning fast how people read into comments what they want. No one was speaking about feathers or caps. As far as memberships, people often don't join as members, or attend meetings, yet are there when needed for work and support behind the scenes.
 
Clif Clendenen is a Mateel member and could possibly help us with planning dept. issues.

If the mateel would have to live by cliff clenden's planning dept, building code standards....the county will be coming down hard on us and either fining us, blocking permits or closing us down.
 
It's not just an economic crash at the mcc, it's a moral and spiritual crash there as well.

The few people running the mcc have only shown up with negative and vengeful leadership. That's why membership and financial support is dwindling.

The mcc/building represents the baby our whole
community gave birth to. now the intense destructive power struggle has left the baby.........BRAIN DEAD
 
Membership doesn't mean much, and membership meetings mean nothing. It's action that matters when action's needed, and that's when our community shines. Jah bless anyone who can sit through necessary meetings for the rest of us.

Also, this Community-Park-as-new Reggae thang is just a scheme at this point. It sure isn't anything I think of when I think of the MCC. And it won't fly if Kathryn continues to treat neighbors like Carol treated her (PTSD maybe?)
 
"The few people running the mcc have only shown up with negative and vengeful leadership. That's why membership and financial support is dwindling.
The mcc/building represents the baby our whole
community gave birth to. now the intense destructive power struggle has left the baby.........BRAIN DEAD"


Hey, plug in Kmud for Mcc and the same holds true for our radio station as well.
 
PTSD
Is that Post Taunya Stapp Disorder?

If the County Supes were making a decision about the Mateel wouldn't Clif have to recuse himself if his involvement in the MCC process is anything more than his owning a membership?
 
You mean get you an illegal permit to hold large concerts at the Community Park. Not in this lifetime. Your Karma has caught up with. The MCC has alienated too many good people over the last couple of years including many that were zealous supporters.

As has Kmud.


Wow! You attack three local institutions in one breath. Do you like anybody?
 
hey mateel bashers: you got reggae, and you haven't paid, and you're still spreading your hate...thanx...
 
I have found that most of the haters are not doers - they are cowardly types that talk a lot of shit about others but never actually do anything themselves to change anything - they thrive on negative b.s. and I know you know who you are - get a damm life and become part of the solution because right now you are just feeding the problem. LOSERS.
 
yeah,yeah, while the so called "real mateel supporters"
continue to not look in the mirror, the truth continues to swirl around their vindictive heads.
As long as our Mateel Center has the same tired ass people putting forth the same deadend negative positions masquerading as solutions, the Mateel Community Center will have to be renamed the Mateel Private Club .
 
Well said. 03:02
 
I don't think the Mateel is interested in getting the Arthur property back in 2010 to do ROR for three days. AS you can see its no longer financially viable as we saw in RR at Dimmicks.
Perhaps just a day show as it will more profitable, and a whole lot less volunteers needed to run a smaller day show. However there still a traffic problem at the Arthurs intersection.
 
it was carols private club for far too long. why haven't carol and tom paid the mateel? why haven't they paid pat arthur? why is carol being allowed to do business as usual? people are probably hateful because of what carol and tom and pb have done to the mateel community. and the pp followers are like cult/groupies. got their heads in the sand, and won;t see.carol has destroyed so many things with help from pb and td. asking someone to feel good about what has happened to the mateel/community, would be like asking a rape victim to feel good about being raped.
 
Your comment is way out of line. Your choice of situations to make comparisons with shows you to be very obtuse.
 
Look, by now everybody knows how I feel about the whole thing, but really, they're not paying because they don't have the money. Nobody has money right now. In case you hadn't noticed, we're on the verge of a depression.

Obviously the Mateel has to take the steps to protect its interests, but don't make this about anything other than what it is.
 
Someone hit a nerve somewhere. Look you need to look at the facts. The Mateel's membership is fine. Until the Reggae issue came about there were never more than a handful of people who came to the annual meetings. It isn't a sign of demise of the Mateel even though it can be imagined that the old PP faction is working hard to make that come about. THAT is what isn't working.

The last income from Reggae on the River until last year when the Mateel Board put it on themselves was in 2004. 2004 PEOPLE. 2004 PEOPLE.

The Mateel has kept its doors open inspite of this fact for almost 4 years (and funded a law suit). How do you think that happened? It is because they planned and created better ways of managing their events and servicing the community. The Summer Arts Fair flourished since 2004 and is still going This in spite of the fact that Dimmick and PP questionably consumed the Mateel's reserves without the proper authority to do so (let's go back to the hearing and get the real picture) and have not had to pay them a cent since although they are harvesting income from Reggae Rising.

I think the Board is doing a damn fine job and I think both past executive directors did a great job too as does all the professional community who knows anything realistic about how to manage a business. You are throwing up straw man arguments so you can feel good about your decisions and can punish the mateel for taking away those 20 grand a year paychecks (yes, that is true too--like it or not).

But none of this is going to help anyone if the Mateel isn't paid.

The two of you, and yes it is pretty easy to ferret out who is doing the posting because of the blabbing that goes on at local events and parties, need to stuff your misleading bag of garbage in a more worthwhile place because the community long ago decided to back the Mateel. Face it... you jumped to the wrong ship at the last moment.
 
See you at tomorrow's hearing right--you want to see and taste an smell reality don't you. You should have went the first time around.
 
Tommy doesn't have money after pocketing the money from over 3000 wristbands to Reggae Ripoff and Willie Nelson he also had his own wristbands and alcohol sales. Just because they can show in the "books" that they lost money doesn't mean that the principals didn't rake it in. Tommy spent his money acquiring land through a semi-shady deal involving a non-profit (he was a board member at the time). Now he is claiming that the economic downturn is the cause.
Why are the bridges still in down at French"s in violation of the Permit and State regulations?
How about all the other community organizations that haven't been paid.
Briceland Volunteer Fire, School District for the buses. Hospital hasn't been paid in full. The Arthurs haven't been paid.
Where are all the people who signed the Letter of No Confidence against the MCC. Why haven't your good buddies come through with the minimal amounts they owe? Lay down with dogs and you get up with fleas.
The Mateel will still be going strong as a
vital part of the Community long after Reggae Ripoff is gone.The falling out among thieves has already begun.
MCC is moving on and I look forward to 2010 when Reggae on the River returns to its original home and original intent as a one day family friendly Reggae showcase.
The nasty discourse of the few cannot sway us from the path of spirit , unity and love that most of us want.
Reggae Lover and MCC member.
 
I am curious about you. You get a lot of your information wrong. The bridges are not still spanning the river. The event will never move back to French's Camp. It is a traffic thing. What non profit was Mr. Dimmick a board member of and how does that have anything to do with the land he bought from his family? You are a real piece of work.
 
Eric; If you don't think "anyone has any money right now," please tell us what you believe happened with the profit/loss numbers with RR 2008 and the Willie Nelson show.

Do you believe these events made money? How much? You have an idea, don't you?
 
wow
 
RR 2008 made absolutly no money. The overhead on that large of an event is huge. I do agree that CB should pay all of the debt owed to the local organizations. A payment plan should be set up. Just a side comment
There seems to be a lot of angry people trashing each other under anonymous.
 
cb must be a pretty piss poor business person. hasn't paid the mcc in 4 years. you ppeople have all sorts of excuses for her don't ya. so is his one still a spiritual success, and a financial failure like the rest?
 
Fact Check: If you make a comparison between similar events of similar size you get a more accurate picture of what these events really can and do make.

Of course you will be told there is no event that is similar.

If that doesn't work then you will be told that Southern Humboldt is a special case.

If that doesn't work past history will be brought up.

If that doesn't work you are eligible for the public smear campaign.
 
Of course people in the business do not want this information to get out. They want it to look really really hard so that other people won't get into the business. Otherwise volunteers might start asking to be paid.

It isn't only in Southern Humboldt. When you have an industry that doesn't take a lot of complex skill to run but takes a lot of money to get into the business you have to creatively impair other people's ideas that they can do the same thing pretty easy if they have the money to risk.

Standard economics 101. Low barriers to entry invites more competition to the market place.
 
9:05 PM
A payment plan should be set up.

There was a fucking payment plan worked out!!! They have defaulted. Can you say "One Day Reggae on the River® at the Mateel Ranch in Piercy"?
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Shit, that land must be worth $500,000 even in today's market. The chickens are coming home to roost for the scum who thought the grass was greener on the other side of the fence (Let's do Reggae but not do the Mateel). Now let's see what side your bread is buttered on Danny Boy. I told you that the big boys were going to want to see accounting that the Mateel let slide for all those years. Time to pay the piper Tommy. Its about the vibe bro.
 
Hey Dimmick I now where you can borrow a half mil but you won't like the terms although they will be better than the alternative. Hehehehe
 
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yeah,yeah, while the so called "real mateel supporters"
continue to not look in the mirror, the truth continues to swirl around their vindictive heads.
As long as our Mateel Center has the same tired ass people putting forth the same deadend negative positions masquerading as solutions, the Mateel Community Center will have to be renamed the Mateel Private Club .
 
Ha! The MPC. Ironic isn't it?
 
Do you believe these events made money? How much? You have an idea, don't you?

No idea whatsoever.
 
"yeah,yeah, while the so called "real mateel supporters"
continue to not look in the mirror, the truth continues to swirl around their vindictive heads.
As long as our Mateel Center has the same tired ass people putting forth the same deadend negative positions masquerading as solutions, the Mateel Community Center will have to be renamed the Mateel Private Club "

This has no meaning. Do you realize that?
 
Now that the PP/Dimmick party has been revealed for the sham that they are in not making good on their debts to MCC, Briceland Fire, the hospital, the school district and God knows who else, the MCC should just do whatever they need to do, within the law, to get their due payments from them. The board has been too nice for too long and they need to get key staff people back.
Hiney has made mistakes in the past but he's been a good MCC board member for the most part, helping tremendously with hall maintenance and events.
Rio Anderson, Sue Maloney and Margaret are 3 excellent candidates who have my votes.
It was reported at the meeting that Mateel membership is currently over 700, not 400, and the annual membership drive starts this week. It's time for our community to move forward, join the mcc membership and take part in continuing to support what we want our community center to be.
 
Self Correction.
"Now that the PP/Dimmick party has been revealed for the sham that they are..."
The word, "sham" is too careless a description of what amounts to a small group of people who tried and failed to live up to their business obligations for any number of reasons, including the current state of the economy. My point is just that I believe MCC doesn't have the luxury of giving them any more time to make good on their debts. We'd all, people on both sides, hoped that this would go away with PP's payment of the settlement, but now that this isn't happening, the MCC board has an obligation to maintain the financial viability of the center for the community. Not an easy or pleasant task but necessary to move on.
 
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11:10:00 PM --Do you understand what irony is? No I didn't think so.
 
I understand irony just fine when it is written well.
 
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This community has become so convoluted!
 
To answer a question from way earlier in the thread: no, I am not at today's hearing. I was gone all weekend and got back last night.

I will be working on a story about all this, but after three months I'm still playing catch-up. And good Lord, I really feel like crawling back into my hole right about now.
 
welcome back! you were missed. the community is eating itself. unfortunately td and cb are watching it all happen,and take no action to stop it, again.
 
Did anyone expect anything different.
 
It's not just an economic crash at the mcc, it's a moral and spiritual crash there as well.

The few people running the mcc have only shown up with negative and vengeful leadership. That's why membership and financial support is dwindling.

The mcc/building represents the baby our whole
community gave birth to. now the intense destructive power struggle has left the baby.........BRAIN DEAD


You mean heart AND brain dead
 
"The few people running the mcc have only shown up with negative and vengeful leadership. That's why membership and financial support is dwindling.
The mcc/building represents the baby our whole
community gave birth to. now the intense destructive power struggle has left the baby.........BRAIN DEAD"


Hey, plug in Kmud for Mcc and the same holds true for our radio station as well.
 
Fact check:

1. 700 members that is an increase of at least 300. Dwindling?
2. The Mateel stays open for 4 years without substantial Reggae Income which was in 2004 like 95% of its annual income. Lack of support?
3. The Mateel has now a trained staff that they have kept in place since 2004 minus the executive director who chose to leave to go work on the legal case.
4. New board members with a more diverse business background have once again come forward to serve on the board. Dead? I think not.
5. The whole series of events happened following the call for an audit of the production company's books which couldn't be completed.
6. Had PP followed the Mateel's advice and built in a 10% buffer for the 2006 event--none of this would probably have happened.
7. The Board has repeatedly, and mistakenly in my opinion, refused to play hardball with the production company when they should have. Mean?

Basically you are full of whatever you want to call it that won't get my post deleted.

But what amazes me is how the practices and values of the people who align themselves with the production keep getting assigned to the Mateel folk when these are not the Mateel folk's practices and values. If there isn't a psychological psychosis in there somewhere then pigs really can fly.
 
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the community is eating itself.

Not really. It's pretty tame compared to what it's been. A few diehards notwithstanding, most of the community is moving on and letting the legal system play out.
 
I'm removing certain posts which make allegations against certain individuals which come from anonymous posters, are not backed up with facts or context, and can potentially hurt not just the posters' target but others as well. Please make sure you know what you're talking about and provide some context, and preferably sign your name to them so we know where the rumors are coming from. I'm not even saying whether it's true. I have no idea, but it sounds like an oversimplification.
 
"7. The Board has repeatedly, and mistakenly in my opinion, refused to play hardball with the production company when they should have. Mean?"

by: Mon Nov 17, 02:50:00 PM

"we'll bury Carol with the audit" threats, plus drowning EVERYONE in legal bills, plus turning this into a very public, emotional crusade, instead of working with PP to resolve things, isn't hardball in your world? The board and ED decided to set their hopes on a lynch mob mentality two years ago. It could have been so different.
 
BullShit--carol would never, and is still not, co-operating.
 
What happened to the Mateel was a clear case of music MONOPOLY by a few self serving individuals.
 
What happened in court today?
 
exactly.
 
Oh yes. If you don't have the energy to work things out with your neighbors, just ask a judge to settle things. That will reinforce your sense of "self righteous" and make sure that only lawyers survive.

What a wonderful world.
 
wouldn't it be nice if td and cb kept their word at least once. maybe then it would be easier to work things out. the mcc has waited long enough. cb and td would have waited about 1 second to hammer the mcc if the situation were reversed.what have they done in the last 4 years to prove they are trustworthy, or a friend?
 
! wtf is this "don't involve the courts -ever- mentality? Boy are you dim. As soon as ANY contract is signed you have entered into the legal/judicial system. Grow up will ya?
 
Not involving the courts 2 years ago would have been a much better call. Eric V. Kirk said so himself, when he posted his opinion on the gravity of the situation.

Here are these podunk entities, in a podunk community, trying to act like multi-billion dollar corporations. Is it any wonder that no one ended up with anything, and everyone ended up bankrupt?

I truly wish that both sides had tried to settle it, right here in this community. Instead, it turned (two years ago) into a Sarah Palin rally (pallin' around with terrorists! socialist! Heather had cosmetic surgery!"

It could have been "yes we did, yes we can, yes we will keep doing it"..

So sad.
 
I still think Sue is lovely. Inside and out.
 
I still think Sue is lovely. Inside and out.


ok,anything else you want to add about yourself sue?
 
Okay class let's review.

1. The Mateel called PP into mediation to resolve the problems.

2. Carol Bruno quit making a statement in front of the whole membership.

3. Mediation happened and there was no settlement.

4. The Mateel accepted Carol's resignation.

5. The Mateel announced it had hired a new producer.

6. Dimmick Ranch filed the FIRST lawsuit.

7. The parties went back to mediation.

8. The Mateel filed their lawsuit.

Suck eggs. You don't want the facts. You want your pacifier back so you can pretend your version of the world still exists in my opinion.

And one last point, why would you be worried about any audit if your books were in good order. I wouldn't think it would be a good deal.

Get the facts.
 
I still think Sue is lovely. Inside and out.

I do too, and I think she'll be an excellent board member.
 
"Is it any wonder that no one ended up with anything, and everyone ended up bankrupt?"

Everyone said this would happen. Strong supporters of the MCC asked them not to file that god awful lawsuit. what was called for was steady and strong leadership to get this worked out. All we got was maniacal negative posturing from some MCC board members. Destructive leadership leads to destructive outcomes.

It really is time for that whole board to go and get all NEW people. And I mean all NEW people, not from "either side".

This will be the only way we all can have our Community Center back and serving the entire community again.
Otherwise more of the same lame negative sh#t
 
Can you read? The Mateel did not file the first lawsuit. Dimmick filed the first lawsuit against the Mateel but didn't release it to the press. Odd isn't it. Then, only after the Mateel filed theirs, they notified the press of the one they filed. Hence the community would think and continues the think that the Mateel filed the first lawsuit. You guys haven't learned anything over the years.

Geez.
 
Can you say anti-climactic? The judge gave Dimmick and Bruno two more weeks to come up with the cash. If the Mateel hasn't been paid by then, she said she'd then enter a judgment against Tom, Carol and PP.
 
Strong supporters of the MCC asked them not to file that god awful lawsuit. what was called for was steady and strong leadership to get this worked out. All we got was maniacal negative posturing from some MCC board members. Destructive leadership leads to destructive outcomes.

It really is time for that whole board to go and get all NEW people. And I mean all NEW people, not from "either side".

This will be the only way we all can have our Community Center back and serving the entire community again.
Otherwise more of the same lame negative sh#t
 
Don't you remember that there was a mediation just before it went court? And Dumbick nixed it. I fucking hate those ppeople.
 
Okay haters, enough is enough. Why don't all of you do something productive and look into a way to solve this problem. Has anyone else gotten a letter from CB stating that she does not owe any money? Is this legal? Instead of blogging all of this hate on this thread, maybe TD and CB need to be held accountable in front of the community that they are not paying in a shceduled public forum. There are more organizations (Schools, Fire Dept) that are not being paid and would like answers.
 
The one lone production co. poster is having a hard time convincing others that it is o.k. NOT to honor a court order.
Can't imagine why...
 
Another example of just how off base you are. I don't think like you. I think like me. I don't hate anyone. Never have. I despise the way the production company and the Dimmick Ranch get things done and the damage they leave in their wake. I deplore misinformation and how it has been casually used to grossly mislead people the public. I am sick of people smearing their friends and neighbors so a festival can get more sales. But I don't hate anyone.
 
For whatever it is worth:

PP filed the FIRST lawsuit but did not serve it.

MCC filed SECOND and served PP and TD.

TD filed and served a countersuit LAST.


Go check your facts.
 
My apologies. Since Dimmick now owns PP I combined them in my earlier statement to keep it simple.
 
Your "facts" are incorrect. Tom Dimmick owns Reggae Rising. He does not own People Productions.
 
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hello pb. it should be on kmud every day who has not been paid and why. cb and td know that this won't happen, so they just don't/won't pay.
 
The truth is that finally a Board had the guts to stop the abuse. If you are ranking the board you are putting down 20-30 people who served on the Board for the last 13 years, some of this community's finest volunteers.

They have not expressed hate. They only said stop the abuse, the back room dealings of of PP, the disregard of the years of volunteer effort that made RoR what it was.

All of us have been sad at the sense of entitlement that PP developed to the point where PP thought it could disregard the fact that RoR belonged to the community. Power corrupts and never have I seen a greater example of it destroying what so many have built.

I give thanks to the brave ones who stand up for our community's rights.
 
Dear "zzzzzzzzzzz"

Breath Right snore strips will work wonders for you. They're available at your local market.
 
couldn't have said it better. go mccc bod!!!!!!!!!!
 
8:57am, I have a slight correction to your "facts."


For whatever it is worth:

PP filed the FIRST lawsuit but did not serve it.



PP did file the first lawsuit, and did "serve it," but not til after the MCC served theirs.


MCC filed SECOND and served PP and TD.

TD filed and served a countersuit LAST.



There were only two lawsuits filed. There's no lawsuit (or "countersuit") filed by Tom Dimmick at all. It was just PP sues MCC, then MCC sues PP.



Go check your facts.


Oh.
 
It is always nice to know that the attorneys are reading. Thanks.

My information was wrong in two points, the first I apologized for, and the second I had been misinformed that Dimmick now owns the controlling interest in People Productions. I had inferred that fact was correct because I could see no other reason for the Dimmick Ranch to take on PP debts. It doesn't make sense.

But if you are correct, and we will find that out in the long run as LLCs are required to register with the State, my information is wrong.
 
It will take years to put behind us the trauma such abuse has caused. There is no better reason in my opinion for why good management should be cultivated and paid well. Had I the means I would donate big bucks to a new director fund for the MCC and get a new person in there just as soon as possible. And then all the community needs to give that person their support and encouragement because they certainly will be attacked by the powers that will never reconcile. My hope is that in the future the board of the MCC works hard to protect its employees and fellow board members from the pain of going through such a situation ever again. Only doing due diligence and ensuring objective people sit on the board will prevent it from a possible relapse. The really hard thankless work has been done and now the really hard long struggle begins to go forward.

~MCC Survivor
 
I was so proud to read in the Redwood Times today that the mcc has decreased their deficit by a huge amount of dollars.
The mcc is on the RIGHT track for becoming independent of every thing reggae.
Congratulations!
mcc member.
 
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something tells me that that last comment at 10:32 won't make the cut...
 
Personally I have a lot of respect for Margaret. She saw the problem develop early on and stepped up when no one else would. She reads and keeps herself updated and has a background in sociology. She can be a little overbearing about getting her way but then that can describe a lot of people I know me included. Margaret gets along fairly well in all the factions and she knows that you can't shut out the outside world. That alone qualifies her in my book. Plus there is no questioning that her intent is for the Mateel's best interest even if you don't agree with her all the time. You don't want to have a board full of the same types. The idea is to have people from all aspects of the community to share their views, experiences, contacts, and wisdom. You want a well rounded board.
 
And can you tell me just what organization(s) in southern humboldt and most of northern humboldt isn't comprised of the drug community? Humboldt is never going to be redneckville again. We have to learn how to live together.
 
The judge gave Dimmick and Bruno two more weeks to come up with the cash.

The judge gave Dimmick and Bruno two more weeks to come up with the cash?!?!

their word ain't worth shit and the legal system grinds at a snail's pace hope boots don't mind waitin
 
"for becoming independent of every thing reggae...."

Must of not read very well 10:22. Reggae on the River pulled a tidy ($20,000+) profit for the Mateel in 2008. Reggae will always be at the heart of the Mateel and you are naive to think otherwise.
 
It was 10:30 that made that comment, must have not read very well 11:28.
 
Nothing stays the same forever. That is hard to accept but things change and you have to plan for change. A business that focuses on only one thing endlessly isn't going to make it over time. Reggae has worked wonders for the Mateel for years and it may well work well again in the next few years but getting too comfortable is way too dangerous and a part of the problem that got us all here in the first place.
 
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Sue, I still think you're smart, funny have excellent personal integrity and are lovely to boot. You'll need all those qualities in your service to the community via MCC Board member. Thanks for all you do and the style with which you do it. I hope you are amused by the critic who accuses you of self-promotion. You are a gem.
 
11:31am, thank you for correcting 11:28.
My sentiments are the same as 12:18pm.
 
hey cb,td an co..ever heard the saying..nelp the needy,not the greedy?
 
I want to thank 11:38 for responding to 9:23 by reference to 10:42 expressing the sentiments of 8:14. 2:34 is just annoying.
 
As is 3:36PM!
 
So what is the new due date for the delinquent payment to the Mateel?
 
The judge has set a two week deadline for Tommie and Carol to pay up. MCC lawyer will be back in court to get judgment on December 1 if the Mateel has not been paid by then.
 
3:36 p.m. rules!
 
After long deliberation on this issue, I've concluded that the star-bellied sniches have it!
 
"it's really is time for that whole board to go and get all NEW people. And I mean all NEW people, not from "either side".

This will be the only way we all can have our Community Center back and serving the entire community again.
Otherwise more of the same lame negative sh#t."

This is a great idea. Let's get our Community Center back and I agree that it should be serving the ENTIRE community.
 
You are so full of it. "New" people? Please define.
 
You know. "New". Like in not "Those" people. "New" ones like us. Not them.

Production Poetry.
 
6:08
hate to be divisive but SO easy to spot the PPPeeps...
 
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But seriously, what is the court likely to do when the 2 weeks is up?

The court could seize the Escalades and then we could auction them off.
 
ppeople pproduction ppoetry?
 
6:08

So if a if a person is being raped and yells " No, stop!" is that "negative s**t"?

Give thanks to this board for yelling "No, stop!".
 
Obviously you have never been the victim of rape or you wouldn't be so cavalier with your comparisons.
 
being victim of a rape, it is not a cavalier comparison.
 
Emotional rape is the same.
 
Can we be be more dramatic?
 
Obviously you have never been a victim of the long standing ugly slime ball politics flying around these companies or you would understand the comparison. I do. And I have been physically raped also. Emotional rape is not the same but the damage is very similar and feelings left behind in the wake are disabling.
 
Yeah. I hope you are getting some help.
 
I guess they really didn't like it when the Mateel took over the Rotary fund raising event. From the community calendar Redwood Times:
Rotary Casino Night at Toph’s House in Benbow. Saturday * 22nd
 
11:47am I'm not privy to Rotary's reasoning for moving their event to Toph's. But you're just spewing more hatred when you say "when the Mateel took over the Rotary fund raising event." Nobody took over anyone's fundraising event, and you're just fanning the flames by attacking the Mateel.

Several local groups have held or are planning to hold poker tournaments to raise money. There's nothing wrong with that. Would you bash other non-profits, such as the Zen Center, Daishu-in-West, for raffling off a quilt to support their activities just because somebody else(like Salmon Creek School) did it first? Stop looking for every opportunity to bash the Mateel. What have you done for the community lately, or at all?
 
Nice try. The Rotary Club moved the event. You know the reason why. Don't question my contributions. They are many. Question the people who make choices which divide this community instead of making choices which unify and serve the greater community as a whole. Thjis is not a raffled quilt. This is a large community organization moving their annual event to another venue because the prior venue did not have the decency to comunicate better and not step on the toes of the very people they need to help them survive. The result is not revokable. It is just sad when people like 2:49 miss the point again. The Mateel may exist but it is not as a community center to many of us who live in this community.
 
Perhaps the Mateel should install a coke machine they could get a lot of the disaffected back and expand their clientelle.
 
Which reminds me. Susie Matilla, the bookkeeper at People Productions, is now chief of the rotary.
 
It is a shame no one from the rotary sat through the arbitration and the testimony. Including Susie's. What a light that could turn on.
 
Susie Matilla is not the president of the Rotary. Once again 3:09 you show your zeal but not your smarts. Greg Phau is the current Rotary Club president. Last year's president was Dennis Abshire. Ms. Matilla served the term before Mr. Abshire.
I just read what I posting and I need to correct myself. You are indeed showing your smarts.
 
Who keeps the books?
 
Here let me help you then. The critique should be on whether or not the post contains timely information rather than the lack of information. My opinion of course.
 
Just returning the favor....you understand.
 
Pfau not Phau.
 
2:59pm Well, I tried to avoid a personal attack, but it is truly obvious that you're not just demonstrating contemptible behavior--you actually are a dickhead. I'll question your contributions if I want to (why would I take your word for it?) just like I question your motives in attacking the Mateel. It's obvious that you are one of those blog trolls who spends so much time watching these posts that you reacted within ten minutes of my criticism. You didn't even pause long enough to check for spelling errors and typos, you were in such a hurry to get your propaganda out there. Get a life!

The Mateel may exist but it is not as a community center to many of us who live in this community. There aren't so many of you haters out there as you would like to imagine, and I'm glad that I'm not part of your circle of fiends(spelling intended).
 
The mateel is a private club not a true community center
 
Nice try. The Rotary Club moved the event. You know the reason why.

I don't. I know that some members of the Rotary were upset when the Mateel put together its own poker event, but if that's the reason they moved then that's pretty silly. Perhaps it's because of the scheduling conflict.
 
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It seems like every time Eric starts a thread about the Mateel, the posted responses soon exceed 200. The majority of those posts ignore whatever Eric says, and this thread is no exception. PP has not paid the Mateel, and Eric has stated that it is because they don't have the money, and that, by the way, NO body has any money, and have you noticed we are in a recession/depression? Why the attacks on Susie? She is a respected member of the CCUSH Board, has served on their advisory committee... has donated her time to Rotary... has hosted exchange students under Rotary... and has been a respected and competent bookkeeper for many local businesses. Susie keeps accurate and honest books. Susie has integrity. But, she is just the bookkeeper, not the "decider"!!!
 
Okay it really doesn't pass the bad taste test in my opinion to talk about how the community center should serve the entire community when people couldn't even tolerate a bluegrass festival without choking on their crackers. Anybody can book the hall. Christ they even let PP back in there for a while. But since the Mateel started reaching out for new fresher ideas back in oh about 2005 people have been screaming they should just fire all the staff and sit like bumps on the log and not do any events at all. "They are not a production company."

Now the hall is booked all the time and unless you book in advance it is easy to miss your first choice date.

However since about 2005 businesses have to pay a higher rate for the hall than individuals and nonprofits correcting a logical error People Productions and other for profit businesses had to their advantage for years and frequently lobbied the board members mentioning that nobody would rent the hall if they increased rates. The main idea being the Mateel had an obligation to subsidize them. So renting the hall at less than the cost of using it was the standard for a long time.

God those Mateel people are just horrible aren't they. Mean rotten boogers. Tsssk Tsssk.

Long live the Mateel! Onto the road to permanent recovery I say.
 
If you went to the trial you'd already have these answers but I digress. Bill Bragg argued in court a couple of days ago, so I hear, that he believed the Dimmick Ranch didn't start to go after paying this settlement until much later than June when the agreement was made. That was long before the financial crisis. There was a reference made by one or the other opposing attorneys that Dimmick Ranch didn't begin to look for financing until September 23 I believe.

Pop. Did I hear someone's bubble bust?
 
Allow me to paraphrase. I don't own a copy of the transcripts "...I don't follow the rules if it can save time..."
 
Blogger allows you to enter several email addresses so you can be updated when a new post comes in. There are a few other ways you can get updated too by email. It doesn't mean someone hangs here 24/7.
 
Neither is Dick Cheney.
 
Hey MMDI. The notification feature of blogger doesn't change the fact that someone (2:59pm) is obsessed with posts here. For him(I'm assuming) to have had a response posted ten minutes after the initial post shows that he is awfully much tied to the blog. The notion that someone even checks blog posts out that quickly shows quite an attachment, IMHO. Also, IMHO, he is still a dickhead. I'm also curious about your assertion that "There are a few other ways you can get updated too by email." It seems like a casual way to add weight to your opinion without having to back up your assertions. Please name two or three for us if you would. Tell us so we can get updated as fast as you.
 
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